What does Mandos mean when he says 'Not the First'? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-13-2003, 02:19 PM

The passage describing the arrival of the messengers from Formenos suggests to me that Mandos may know of Finwë's death not because he has forseen it but because it has already taken place. It would have taken some time for the death of Finwë to be discovered by the Noldor of Formenos, still more for messengers to bring the news to the Ring of Doom. However, Finwë's fëa would have arrived in the Halls of Mandos very soon after his death, and it could be that amid the confusion the master of those halls would have become aware that a new spirit had come to his keeping.

Amrod the Hunter · 11-28-2004, 08:59 AM

It says in the description of the Valar that Mandos is the judge and he can foresee future,but he gives his opinion only when Manwe asks him.So,Mandos has probably foreseen that Finwe will die even before Feanor said that he is going to be the first who will be killed in Valinor.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 11-28-2004, 02:22 PM

This might help.

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the phantom · 11-29-2004, 12:28 PM

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08-13-2003, 02:19 PM	#1
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	The passage describing the arrival of the messengers from Formenos suggests to me that Mandos may know of Finwë's death not because he has forseen it but because it has already taken place. It would have taken some time for the death of Finwë to be discovered by the Noldor of Formenos, still more for messengers to bring the news to the Ring of Doom. However, Finwë's fëa would have arrived in the Halls of Mandos very soon after his death, and it could be that amid the confusion the master of those halls would have become aware that a new spirit had come to his keeping. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

11-28-2004, 02:22 PM	#3
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	This might help. Fea __________________ peace

11-29-2004, 12:28 PM	#4
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	I can't stand people who shamelessly plug their own threads. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important.

11-28-2004, 08:59 AM	#2
Amrod the Hunter Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Dol Amroth Posts: 54	It says in the description of the Valar that Mandos is the judge and he can foresee future,but he gives his opinion only when Manwe asks him.So,Mandos has probably foreseen that Finwe will die even before Feanor said that he is going to be the first who will be killed in Valinor.