Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[Nogrod]

Well, this reminds me of a case in our village back there...

We've dealt with witches basically... a bit at least... but who says it's not the same with werewolves? They're an eerie bunch of creatures both of them, aren't they? And dangerous...

So what do we do with witches is that we burn them because they're made of wood. And wood floats on water... as well as very small rocks or lead... or what would you think? Who of us might float? That's a witch I say! And then we just need to take scales and see if they weight as much as werewolves...

Or think about things that might disappear from the surface but then rise back yet again and again. S/he might have been the one who turned me into a newt... well, I got better. But anyhow...

Sorry to be this hasty at the moment but I need some serious sleep. I'll come back though and hope to find a bit more lively discussion then.

But this far I can only say, speak brothers and sisters... and speak wolves! That's the way we get to know you...


Although I would wish to make some very early notes.

Originally Posted by Xyzzy

I think one of these Werewolves is this Kath fellow. First one to speak up is probably trying to sound like he really dislikes Werewolf survival.

And so Xyzzy waited to be the second one and thus being able to say that the first one is suspicious? Nice... but I think calling the first one the suspicious one is quite presumptious - or too safe. Make an appearance, make a visit from which you can say you did something? I can't say I trust the Kanudan right now too much.

And Shasta's appearance with a laadi-daa post as well makes me wonder... basic wolf-stuff appearing without anything to leave for others in substance - and thence no one has a good reason to lynch him. Too easy?

From the very thin sample of players they both have earned my suspicions. But happily there is lots of this Day left for them to prove me otherwise.

I mean one can even try to say something even if it's a "first post" of one's. Like just trying to get a handle of this how small or fickle that contribution might be, just to show one is serious about this - which does not mean one can't be joyful at the same time. But just actually saying something as well... if not about others (when there is no chance - but now there surely is, so no excuses anymore - and I think this fits a couple of the last posters anyways) then about the overall tactics or whatever. Everything one says can be used in close examination afterwards and what we need is an ability to close-examine everyone here.

Like Menel here spoke with the words of wisdom. Let the wolves talk and betray themselves with their own talk! That's what we believe in our village: good arguments! This has been the traditon in my village and I do believe in it still.

I hope Menel will also say more than that as just stating an self-evidency is not too much either...

Speak up people, state your views! That's the only way the wolves will be caught apart from pure luck or astonishing slipperies by them...

[Rikae]

While Nogrod is right in objecting to Xyzzy's words...I'd say pointing out that casting suspicion on the first to speak is in itself, at the best, badly reasoned, and at worst, wolfish...it doesn't jibe with my (admittedly fallible) impression of Kath; and the post itself seemed somehow tense or tight. Careful, maybe.

Mind you, I'm not casting suspicion yet...just thinking aloud. We shall see what the day brings.

[Rikae]

Clarification: By "it", I mean posting first, of course.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Rikae

it doesn't jibe with my (admittedly fallible) impression of Kath; and the post itself seemed somehow tense or tight.

On a second look you maybe right. It's not Kath-like somehow, even though I still think Xyzzy's throw-away suspicion was the more suspicious looking...

Originally Posted by Rikae

I don't know if this is reasonable, Nogrod. I know how you like content-rich posts, but in-character banter in first posts is a bit of a WW tradition, is it not?

You're right. But I have just tried to pick anything to show that things can be done differently than just saying "Hello, I'm here... and won't be anymore". Just take this in the overall context of my agenda and you see why I said this.

Okay. Good night for now. I'll be back later.

[Isabellkya]

*waves to the others and then plops down in a chair*

Hiya everyone. I am Izzie the delegate from the village Kyaq. My father was supposed to make the journey, but he took a nasty fall when he was out hunting with his horse. So I was chosen to come in his place. If you don't mind I am mighty hungry from my journey, so I think I will go in search of some food to eat. Then I will return to discuss this problem which we all seem to have with these nasty werewolves.


*gets up and goes in search of some food*


(It is dinner time; hence the hunger.)

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

*waves to the others and then plops down in a chair*

Hiya everyone. I am Izzie the delegate from the village Kyaq. My father was supposed to make the journey, but he took a nasty fall when he was out hunting with his horse. So I was chosen to come in his place. If you don't mind I am mighty hungry from my journey, so I think I will go in search of some food to eat. Then I will return to discuss this problem which we all seem to have with these nasty werewolves.


*gets up and goes in search of some food*


(It is dinner time; hence the hunger.)

Whaaa????

OK, roleplaying is one thing, but if I didn't know better, I'd think you were sending "wolf hints" - not being the one expected (in relation to SPM's narration); and being hungry...

[xyzzy]

It was entirely flavor; I'm not seriously suspicious of someone for getting the first post!

A little jealous, though. :P

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Yes lynching quiet people have often been helpful, not always by getting wolves. . .actually we have lynched way more quiet innocents. The main problem with quiet people is that when the end of the game approaches you dare not vote for them as you do not have a clear picture of them and would rather kill someone you actually suspect.

[Boromir88]

It pains me to do this, because I am going to feel so bad about it; with the long history between Menel and myself. But I got a bad feeling about him already.

Welle, ye only waye I canne see to induce these Wolves to talke is to lynche ye moste unhelpfulle ones.

I must profoundly object to this one. Every day is precious, we can't just waste them by voting off unhelpful villagers, that strategy will get us into trouble and put us in a tough vice towards the end. When is it that the wolves are the unhelpful ones in the village? All wolves talk and participate to varying degrees, all to varying degrees, but never is a wolf going to appear unhelpful. There are the quiet, lay low wolves, but there is a difference between being quiet and being unhelpful.

This whole proposal Menel gets me wonderin' about your identity sir knight. Our votes are the ordinary innocents only weapon against the wolves and we must not waste days by throwing our votes away for someone who albeit it is being unhelpful, but nevertheless someone you don't find all that suspicious of. Our votes are precious and the suggestion that we waste them doesn't sit right with me.

I don'te see what possible advantage this villager woulde provide.

ummm...their vote

Your jump on xyzzy; Menel is also quite alarming...considering I really think Nogrod and you are making too much out of his first post.

not being the one expected (in relation to SPM's narration)~Rikae

I'm curious Rikae, because I have no clue what you're talking about. I am bad at picking up on clues out of the narration, so if you wouldn't mind pointing me out to the 'one not expected' in the narration, that would be great.

[Rikae]

Well, I used to be against it on principle, but as I look at WW from my older and wiser perspective the "lynch the quiet ones" (or at least threaten to) strategy seems more and more sensible. I've seen too many quiet wolves coast to victory...besides, keeping up a certain level of helpfulness could be seen as a villager's duty.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

While Nogrod is right in objecting to Xyzzy's words...I'd say pointing out that casting suspicion on the first to speak is in itself, at the best, badly reasoned, and at worst, wolfish....

I would just mention that in the ancient history of the werewolf plagues that have afflicted communities, it was found on a few occasions that a wolf had been the first speaker ..eager perhaps to influence opinion away from themselves.

It is a bit routine to have "Lynch Boromir" as the default setting? He so often gives out "vibes" and turns out to be an innocent stirring discussion or a gifted biding his time... certainly it is generally more useful to the village to keep talkers rather than quiet folk if push comes to shove. But for me it is far too early to think about making choices - especially since in the circumstance I will not be able to get my decision ratified by my commune with the two-thirds majority usually required on matters that concern external affairs....

However I need perhaps to read forward from the start rather than backwards from now to get a true picture.

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm.... I guess I won't vote now and if I can't get online myself I can vote by asking Noggie or Agan to post my vote in case SPM agrees with it...

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I understood he meant a Wolf can make a disastrous mistake that should reveal him/her, if forced to speak. That would make more sense.

Oh... that does make sense! Thanks Aganzir. Wouldn't want to lycch somebody due to semantics...

Originally Posted by Lommy

So now I'm debating if I should vote xyzzy (argh) or just not vote right now (argh).

Or use a random number generator?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Or use a random number generator?

You know that I'm not for random things or matemathical theories...

Anyway, now I go. Let's hope I'll be back in the late afternoon.

edit: xed with Agan

[Volo]

Sorry for coming a bit late, it was a long way after all. My name is Asfaras of Itgets. Oh, and in case you're wondering, it is fine for the folks of Itgets to have hair all over their body.

Thoughts go as such: Don't lynch the unhelpful ones as they are probably just confused innocents. Don't lynch the quiet ones as they probably have a reason for it or just enjoy that playing style.
Where do we get by this? Pretty much nowhere, but I do think that the "unhelpful" are more probably innocent. I have too mixed feelings on the quiet ones...
Having that said, the image of Menel jumps in my mind. But I have seen him fall too early so many times, that I'll avoid voting him, especially as he is suspicious even when not evil. So I'd like Boromir to consider this too.

Lommy, would you quit for once this voting of Xyzzy for no real reason.


EDIT: Xd with everything since #47

[Volo]

Sorry, forget what I said in my last post. Xyzzy does, for once, look suspicious.

[Boromir88]

But this is such a big game (20 players) that I think we shouldn't rule out the possibility of four wolves, or some other nasty things.~Aganzir

Or even the return of the great bear. That could be just as bad as an additional wolf. I've heard tales of the Beornings populating the area...dangerous men they are.

Mith has my alarm going as well.

it was found on a few occasions that a wolf had been the first speaker ..eager perhaps to influence opinion away from themselves.

Now Mith often does say this. I've seen her say it countless amounts of times, and she's right a few times the first poster has been a wolf. But, that means the vast majority of the time this is not true. I think it's better to oepn up the field of suspects a bit and reasonable to say there might be a wolf in the first 5-6 people who posted, to get their claws in early. To limit it to the first poster (and Kath has already received a vote) looks a little wolfy, Mith.

Ye best lynching candidate is a Wolfe that posteth something that inadvertently giveth away too much.

I concede that our good knight has a good point there.

Edit: x-ed with everyone since Aganzir's post

[Volo]

We, the race of Vehade, have a, possibly peculiar to you, view of the world: We think that what we feel is the complete oppisite of the truth. Obeying the law of oppositism we have so far been only happy.

Why do I tell you this sacred wisdom? Because I am afraid, afraid for my life.

The Witch Burner Nogrod so reminds me of the Wolf Nogrod that I feel like suspecting him. But, as the wise say, the feeling goes wrong. And so it has gone every time I suspected Nogrod, feeling has gone astray and he managed to end up innocent.

I shall not vote for him, for given reason.

[Kath]

OOC: Listen guys I'm really sorry but my day has just become unexpectedly busy and this is the last chance I'm going to have to be online.

Therefore I will vote as abstaining is never helpful but as I've only had time to skim through the thread I really don't have much to go on. My vote goes to:

++RIKAE

She seems very testy for it being so early in the game. Could be just a defense of her ideas which do seem to be being rather heavily pounded by Boro, but then continuous defense of ideas rather than coming up with anything truly constructive could be wolvish.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And Shasta's appearance with a laadi-daa post as well makes me wonder... basic wolf-stuff appearing without anything to leave for others in substance - and thence no one has a good reason to lynch him. Too easy?

I don't know if this is reasonable, Nogrod. I know how you like content-rich posts, but in-character banter in first posts is a bit of a WW tradition, is it not?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Phooey, Nogrod, that was just my first post. It's traditional to be in character! Anyhoof, I'm not sure I agree with the suspicion on Xyzzy... in other, less serious cases, it's traditional to jokingly cast suspicion on the first to post.

However, I've seen you about, as well. I'm not suspicious of you, yet. I don't feel that there's enough people talking to be able to cast any aspersions at this time.

Edit: X'ed with Menel, Nogrod, and Menel again.

Edit: I do agree with your point, though, Nogrod. Lynching those who contribute little, or nothing at all, would be the most beneficial to us, unless there's a good reason to lynch someone active. Forcing a wolf to speak up and discuss can lead to a disastrous mistake.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Phooey, Nogrod, that was just my first post. It's traditional to be in character!

No problem with that in fact. You have something like twenty hours to show that you can do other things as well...

As I said, the inaction or "indifferent" posting should be looked upon in the end of the Day, not now...

[Meneltarmacil]

Welle, ye only waye I canne see to induce these Wolves to talke is to lynche ye moste unhelpfulle ones. I knowe, it soundeth bloody. However, if someone is silente withoute a goode reasonne, I don'te see what possible advantage this villager woulde provide.

No lynchings woulde actually be carried oute for unhelpfulnesse if ye villagers talke as muche as possible. So please do so!

(Note: I have a prior engagement in aboute an houre, whiche should take a few houres itselfe. I will be unable to speake untille quite late.)