Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

While Nogrod is right in objecting to Xyzzy's words...I'd say pointing out that casting suspicion on the first to speak is in itself, at the best, badly reasoned, and at worst, wolfish....

I would just mention that in the ancient history of the werewolf plagues that have afflicted communities, it was found on a few occasions that a wolf had been the first speaker ..eager perhaps to influence opinion away from themselves.

It is a bit routine to have "Lynch Boromir" as the default setting? He so often gives out "vibes" and turns out to be an innocent stirring discussion or a gifted biding his time... certainly it is generally more useful to the village to keep talkers rather than quiet folk if push comes to shove. But for me it is far too early to think about making choices - especially since in the circumstance I will not be able to get my decision ratified by my commune with the two-thirds majority usually required on matters that concern external affairs....

However I need perhaps to read forward from the start rather than backwards from now to get a true picture.

[Thinlómien]

Hmmm.... I guess I won't vote now and if I can't get online myself I can vote by asking Noggie or Agan to post my vote in case SPM agrees with it...

[the guy who be short]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I understood he meant a Wolf can make a disastrous mistake that should reveal him/her, if forced to speak. That would make more sense.

Oh... that does make sense! Thanks Aganzir. Wouldn't want to lycch somebody due to semantics...

Originally Posted by Lommy

So now I'm debating if I should vote xyzzy (argh) or just not vote right now (argh).

Or use a random number generator?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by the guy who be short

Or use a random number generator?

You know that I'm not for random things or matemathical theories...

Anyway, now I go. Let's hope I'll be back in the late afternoon.

edit: xed with Agan

[Volo]

Sorry for coming a bit late, it was a long way after all. My name is Asfaras of Itgets. Oh, and in case you're wondering, it is fine for the folks of Itgets to have hair all over their body.

Thoughts go as such: Don't lynch the unhelpful ones as they are probably just confused innocents. Don't lynch the quiet ones as they probably have a reason for it or just enjoy that playing style.
Where do we get by this? Pretty much nowhere, but I do think that the "unhelpful" are more probably innocent. I have too mixed feelings on the quiet ones...
Having that said, the image of Menel jumps in my mind. But I have seen him fall too early so many times, that I'll avoid voting him, especially as he is suspicious even when not evil. So I'd like Boromir to consider this too.

Lommy, would you quit for once this voting of Xyzzy for no real reason.


EDIT: Xd with everything since #47

[Volo]

Sorry, forget what I said in my last post. Xyzzy does, for once, look suspicious.

[Boromir88]

But this is such a big game (20 players) that I think we shouldn't rule out the possibility of four wolves, or some other nasty things.~Aganzir

Or even the return of the great bear. That could be just as bad as an additional wolf. I've heard tales of the Beornings populating the area...dangerous men they are.

Mith has my alarm going as well.

it was found on a few occasions that a wolf had been the first speaker ..eager perhaps to influence opinion away from themselves.

Now Mith often does say this. I've seen her say it countless amounts of times, and she's right a few times the first poster has been a wolf. But, that means the vast majority of the time this is not true. I think it's better to oepn up the field of suspects a bit and reasonable to say there might be a wolf in the first 5-6 people who posted, to get their claws in early. To limit it to the first poster (and Kath has already received a vote) looks a little wolfy, Mith.

Ye best lynching candidate is a Wolfe that posteth something that inadvertently giveth away too much.

I concede that our good knight has a good point there.

Edit: x-ed with everyone since Aganzir's post

[Volo]

We, the race of Vehade, have a, possibly peculiar to you, view of the world: We think that what we feel is the complete oppisite of the truth. Obeying the law of oppositism we have so far been only happy.

Why do I tell you this sacred wisdom? Because I am afraid, afraid for my life.

The Witch Burner Nogrod so reminds me of the Wolf Nogrod that I feel like suspecting him. But, as the wise say, the feeling goes wrong. And so it has gone every time I suspected Nogrod, feeling has gone astray and he managed to end up innocent.

I shall not vote for him, for given reason.

[Kath]

OOC: Listen guys I'm really sorry but my day has just become unexpectedly busy and this is the last chance I'm going to have to be online.

Therefore I will vote as abstaining is never helpful but as I've only had time to skim through the thread I really don't have much to go on. My vote goes to:

++RIKAE

She seems very testy for it being so early in the game. Could be just a defense of her ideas which do seem to be being rather heavily pounded by Boro, but then continuous defense of ideas rather than coming up with anything truly constructive could be wolvish.

[Volo]

And before anybody goes to accuse Kath: That, if anything, is her style!

[Meneltarmacil]

Welle, I am voting:

++xyzzy

He is quite silente for ye moste parte, and what he did say was pretty suspiciouse.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Greetings, all folks. I am the DeLegate of Amon Lanc, whose people live now under the shadow of the Enemy, near the gates of his very citadel of darkness, yet they are unbeaten and still free, like the white doves of peace flying under the horrible stormy clouds. For this, I am not surprised by the terror that came upon this village. I see that the discussion of how to stop this threat has already started, so I'm diving in.

First, I think there's been quite a lot of speculation about "quiet ones" and "not quiet ones". Though I have experience from very recent past that indeed these were the quiet ones who were a threat, I will be careful about not getting into the other extreme, that is, starting bloodthirstingly killing all who say nothing or a little. It is true however, that in later time of the game, I will be for lynching people like this, because you'd say they had enough time to speak and they didn't. I mean (as someone already said here before) that on the first Days, I'll back from doing something like that (some people might not even get much online, e.g. Fea today). However, as three or four days pass, I'd also focus on the silent ones, because if they wanted, they could speak. I think it was Rune who already mentioned it here somewhere and I think it's a good opinion (even if it were not good to lynch the quiet ones, when this is said now, people can act according to it and if they don't, they can't blame those who lynch them, if you understand what I mean). On this point only I would point that Isabellkya posted just a in-character post, saying she'd be back (or so I understood it) and then disappeared for good, which is sort of, you know... irresponsible? (at least)

Now to the other debates running here. I think xyzzy's accusation of Kath, whatever hasty it might be, was a good start if nothing else. Personally I think it's not to be classificated rightaway as wolfish, because xyzzy has never acted much and this might just be his style (though speaking of him, I'd like to say that I see he promised to post more and still there is not that much from him).
What I mean by saying it was a good start: because something like that, even though it's not supported much, is at least doing something and not just talking about nothing. Because, after all, there might be some truth on the first poster being a wolf, why not, it can be a good "hiding in the light". Of course then, xyzzy's move might have been just that one of a Wolf waiting for a person he can accuse, but from the little I know of him, I think he can be bolder than that (accusing like this surely brings attention). For the time being, I'm not for building anything against xyzzy, and not even for kath, whose behavior I find "normal" (without anything suspicious).

Who might seem a little bit suspicious to me is Nogrod, or also Meneltarmacil, "ye olde knighte". Of course Nogrod generally speaks much, why not, he's one of the stable "vocal" players. However, this time he seems a little bit sneaky, like a creeping shadow accusing here and there with thought-through intention... (that's the imagination I get from it). Normally he is more vocal and his posts seem sincere. This time I get the feeling it's somewhat slippery.

And Menel...

Originally Posted by Menel

If someone simply flieth under ye radar and poste a little to show that he/she is still arounde but offereth little of value (which thou callest "keeping a low profile"), Boromir88, that person is no better than a silent one. In facte, someone like that is probably even more likely to be a Wolfe. We wante ye Wolves to avoide such behavior, so that shoulde be just as lynch-worthy.

...he seems, I think, misusing the silence too much. Cf. what I said above about it. So whatever nice ye olde knighte be as charactere, I don't like ye looke of his behavioure.

Other things. I don't understand (as probably many) Durelin's vote. Just a random shot or what? As someone said here, we have no retractions, so what?

Lommy by the way seems also a little un-natural from the structure of her post. But that may be just a feeling. Other people who were spoken about loudly here I feel quite good.

One question to Volo: is that what you meant by saying that you'll be behaving weird here? Doing the opposite than how you feel? Trying to see if your senses always deceive you?
(EDIT: x-ed with Aganzir, who asked exactly the same)

That would be it, basically, for now. Will be back later.