Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Volo, is this what you meant when you warned us in the Admin thread that your logic will be weird? Because I find this weird, if not even suspicious.

How can you think someone is innocent if you have a feeling s/he is a wolf?

Exactly this. I think somebody whom I think Wolf is innocent, because usually they are innocent.

Originally Posted by Legate the delegate of Amon Lanc

One question to Volo: is that what you meant by saying that you'll be behaving weird here? Doing the opposite than how you feel? Trying to see if your senses always deceive you?

Yes to you too. Last - and not only last - game I was so far from catching the Wolves as possible, except after I was already dead.

Originally Posted by Legate de Legate of Amon Lanc

Who might seem a little bit suspicious to me is Nogrod, or also Meneltarmacil, "ye olde knighte". Of course Nogrod generally speaks much, why not, he's one of the stable "vocal" players. However, this time he seems a little bit sneaky, like a creeping shadow accusing here and there with thought-through intention... (that's the imagination I get from it). Normally he is more vocal and his posts seem sincere. This time I get the feeling it's somewhat slippery.

Yup, that's the one. But I'll laugh if Nogrod and Menel are Wolves, again.

What tgwbs said there is true. So, I'll vote for Xyzzy is we don't find a better alternative. After all, he'll probably remain a mystery for as long as he's here...

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Durelin is always a mystery to me so she will recive my vote.

++Durelin

(I am voting this early because I have to go to work soon and wont be back until 30 min after the deadline)

[Volo]

Well, I'd rather vote Xyzzy than Durelin as she is proven a great player. Give her a chance!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Volo

Yup, that's the one. But I'll laugh if Nogrod and Menel are Wolves, again. :

What do you mean by "again"?

Originally Posted by Volo

What tgwbs said there is true. So, I'll vote for Xyzzy is we don't find a better alternative. After all, he'll probably remain a mystery for as long as he's here...

Hmm, I think xyzzy was sort of more active toDay than he usually is (well, mainly by the vote for Kath) As I said, I don't like lynching the quiet - btw why don't you lynch morm then? It will be the most logical, because he didn't appear yet! (<=this is a joke, of course, but it has logic in it: if I were for the idea you present here, I'd lynch him, since he didn't say anything, point.)

[Boromir88]

Never say never, dear. And never forget who you play with.~Fea

When I say 'never' I mean I would bet the farm. And afterall by your own admission how do you know what's going on in this complex head of mine? Maybe I'm using reverse-psychology, maybe I'm not, maybe I'm setting a trap...or maybe I'm only making the wolves believe that I'm setting a trap? Or maybe I only want to make the wolves think that I'm thinking about setting a trap. You get in their heads and get them doubting, aye, make them as lost to knowing our thoughts as we are to knowing who they are.

Well Delegate from Amon Lanc, I wouldn't say no one is objecting. I raised my concerns...though now as staunch as no doubt you have done. But, nevertheless I addressed some problems and hence when one who propsoses this idea (Menel) is my primary target.

I'm much more in line with Nogrod's thinking:

If there is a reason to lynch someone who is active, let's lynch her/him, but if not then let's pick the ones who try to ride for free. Okay?

I would like to add the qualifier of let it not just be a randomly selected quiet person, but at least someone who we get a wierd feeling about.

The reason I am suspicious of Menel, is because it came off to me as if he was saying something almost completely different from Nogrod. And that was let's just start lynching unhelpful people to make the wolves talk. When we recklessly charge forward with one consensus and plan as far as what to do, it's far too easy for the wolves to jump on and manipulate what's going on.

So, my proposal is, let everyone do whatever the heck they want and go after the people they find to be suspicious. Umm...isn't that basically how it's happened all these years of cursed villages? To have one plan of 'we will lynch the quiet to make the wolves talk' the wolve no exactly what we will be doing and therefor it is much easier for them to manipulate what is going to happen. Not only that but it puts us in a tough bind at the end when we wasted away all these days of what could have been quality wolf-hunting and don't have any more days to waste!

I think the risk is far too great. Not only will the wolves be able to manipulate who gets lynched (as they will know this 'plan') but it seems mostly random, so there is a minute chance to find a wolf and we have no idea how many gifted we have to help us, so there may be a greater chance that we whack a gifted (as Legate brings up).

So, yes, I say each person do whatever the heck they want, just say whatever the heck they want. What's wrong with doing it the old fashion way? Pah, I spit on all these whacked out crackpot plans that is creating a wide village consenus.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by delegate de Legate of Amon Lanc

What do you mean by "again"?

Just a WW from ago. The one modded by Glirdan with both Menel and Nogrod as Wolves. My first game.

Originally Posted by delegate de Legate of Amon Lanc

Hmm, I think xyzzy was sort of more active toDay than he usually is (well, mainly by the vote for Kath) As I said, I don't like lynching the quiet - btw why don't you lynch morm then? It will be the most logical, because he didn't appear yet! (<=this is a joke, of course, but it has logic in it: if I were for the idea you present here, I'd lynch him, since he didn't say anything, point.)

The logic is not about the players whom we know to contribute. Though it sure would be nice if Durelin and Mormegil would speak up!

Rikae's accusation of Izzie is very wierd and from my perspective a good cover for a Wolf (remembering my own Wolf-game). There are loads of ways to relay information and anyway, f.ex. Nogrod talk could be as message-filled as Izzie's...

Boro feels innocent because of his opinion about LTQ (lynch the quiet) and how he phrases it. Though you never know with Boro, and my logic telling me vote for him...

Aganzir feels evil and helpful, so probably is good.

tgwbs feels very good and helpful, so could be evil.
(I don't want to vote either of the two now.)

[Volo]

Hmmm.... I guess I won't vote now and if I can't get online myself I can vote by asking Noggie or Agan to post my vote in case SPM agrees with it...

Originally Posted by Boromir

Or even the return of the great bear. That could be just as bad as an additional wolf. I've heard tales of the Beornings populating the area...dangerous men they are.

You the Bear? The role is new to me, what is it? A Shade-type creature? Or a cobbler with a kill? Or just a plain lonely Wolf?

Gah, Legate, your text is nearly as porridge as mine text... Much more confusing than your usual talk that I very much respect for it's clearness. ("Enter" not working? If yes, ok. If no, I'll vote for you to climb out of the porridge )

[Mithalwen]

I am back and intend to read through properly (and in the correct order this time )- find out who has been opressing whom...

[Mithalwen]

[QUOTE=Volo]

the Bear? The role is new to me, what is it? A Shade-type creature? Or a cobbler with a kill? Or just a plain lonely Wolf?

QUOTE]

It seems my role is historian as much as anything so far - but once again as" a point of order" , the werebear in earlier skirmishes was effectively a lone wolf. They had a kill of their own and they only won if they were the sole survivor.


Oh yes the beginning ....

[Durelin]

Oh stop it, Runie, tugwubs. You're making me blush.

[Mithalwen]

Well I have read through and considering how large the village is, not a lot has been said. If for once, the "lynch the quiet if you can't do anything better " that usually I am opposed for suggesting is now in favour we are going to have a lot of choice....

Morm and Gil haven't spoken. Isabellkya has made her slightly odd first post (but this has been already commented on as have most of the things I have noted ), many have near average 3/4/5 post counts. Rikae and Volo have posted double that but seem to be the short, "talking to self posts" that can happen when you are the only person around (or posting perhaps to be more precise).

I have had a look at the narrative and the only firm conclusion I drew was that there is more than one gifted "those among you", and more than one wolf - probably more than two since, I think it would be unusual and technically incorrect ot use some when referring to two. Two wolves in such a large village would be suprising but there is a precedent *cough Fea cough*.

There doesn't seem to be any clear indication of other roles eg werebear / cobbler but that doesn't mean there aren't, and there may be characters who come into play later in the proceedings such as a mythomaniac or cursed. However there is possibly an unclear suggestion. When Sauce says : you must choose each day one of your number to face death and continue doing so until you have found all of the murderous fiends. Some among you who are innocent will die at the hands of their companions, I am not sure if he means that the innocent will be lynched by other innocents, and it should have read your companions (to my picky linguistician's brain) - or that the "their" does indeed refer to the "fiends" of the previous sentence" some innocents will be killed by associates of the wolves but not the wolves themselves. I am probably making something out of nothing here but theoretically that could be a hint at some sort of werebear. The morning will bring clarification if there is a higher than normal death toll overnight.

Now for the actual player posts.

Boro, I don't suspect Kath for posting first - I was merely pointing out that it has happened. If I had read the posts sequentially rather than in a random skimming, I would have seen that , Shasta had already pointed out that this was a traditional prejudice. Kath is far too sophisticated a player for that one to be relevant. However, Kath, in general, may be my "sneaky player " (Fea I love you too ). But a higher priority is looking at those those hasty votes.

Sometimes people do have to vote quickly and on first day (noone has said they hate them yet! ) , a quick retractable vote may be in character or an attempt to provoke a reaction but a quick fixed vote hmm would be quite attention seeking for a wolf, so much so that it might be a blind.

.... to be continued .... I don't want to risk losing such a long post.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by [b

Boro[/b]]I think the risk is far too great. Not only will the wolves be able to manipulate who gets lynched (as they will know this 'plan') but it seems mostly random, so there is a minute chance to find a wolf and we have no idea how many gifted we have to help us, so there may be a greater chance that we whack a gifted (as Legate brings up).

Whaaaaa? If the wolves do manipulate who is lynched, that wolfish manipulation will be a clear trail to them tomorrow.

And as for lynching gifteds, I don't see why we would be more likely to do so by lynching a quiet player than a loud one.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by deLegate

Now here there are several people saying basically the same, and everyone thinks it okay?

I think it affects this that there's no modfire. If someone isn't contributing much, it's up to us to deal with him/her, and the conventional wisdom seems to be that we should do it earlier rather than later.

I have to vote in an hour, but I have no idea whom. I don't feel like voting Kath or tgwbs from my possibly guilty -list. I could vote Shasta, who doesn't speak too much and of who I have a little bad feeling.

Fea is pretty innocentish, Legate a little strange. I have somewhat bad feeling about Volo, mostly due to his very extraordinary reasoning, but he warned us about it long before the game started, and I don't think it's good enough a reason to kill him on Day 1.

Well, there's still time, so I'll see if anything interesting happens before I cast my vote.

edit: xed with Boro