Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[Durelin]

Oh stop it, Runie, tugwubs. You're making me blush.

[Mithalwen]

Well I have read through and considering how large the village is, not a lot has been said. If for once, the "lynch the quiet if you can't do anything better " that usually I am opposed for suggesting is now in favour we are going to have a lot of choice....

Morm and Gil haven't spoken. Isabellkya has made her slightly odd first post (but this has been already commented on as have most of the things I have noted ), many have near average 3/4/5 post counts. Rikae and Volo have posted double that but seem to be the short, "talking to self posts" that can happen when you are the only person around (or posting perhaps to be more precise).

I have had a look at the narrative and the only firm conclusion I drew was that there is more than one gifted "those among you", and more than one wolf - probably more than two since, I think it would be unusual and technically incorrect ot use some when referring to two. Two wolves in such a large village would be suprising but there is a precedent *cough Fea cough*.

There doesn't seem to be any clear indication of other roles eg werebear / cobbler but that doesn't mean there aren't, and there may be characters who come into play later in the proceedings such as a mythomaniac or cursed. However there is possibly an unclear suggestion. When Sauce says : you must choose each day one of your number to face death and continue doing so until you have found all of the murderous fiends. Some among you who are innocent will die at the hands of their companions, I am not sure if he means that the innocent will be lynched by other innocents, and it should have read your companions (to my picky linguistician's brain) - or that the "their" does indeed refer to the "fiends" of the previous sentence" some innocents will be killed by associates of the wolves but not the wolves themselves. I am probably making something out of nothing here but theoretically that could be a hint at some sort of werebear. The morning will bring clarification if there is a higher than normal death toll overnight.

Now for the actual player posts.

Boro, I don't suspect Kath for posting first - I was merely pointing out that it has happened. If I had read the posts sequentially rather than in a random skimming, I would have seen that , Shasta had already pointed out that this was a traditional prejudice. Kath is far too sophisticated a player for that one to be relevant. However, Kath, in general, may be my "sneaky player " (Fea I love you too ). But a higher priority is looking at those those hasty votes.

Sometimes people do have to vote quickly and on first day (noone has said they hate them yet! ) , a quick retractable vote may be in character or an attempt to provoke a reaction but a quick fixed vote hmm would be quite attention seeking for a wolf, so much so that it might be a blind.

.... to be continued .... I don't want to risk losing such a long post.

[Nogrod]

Okay then. I just read this thing through and must agree with Mith that not a lot has been said...

To begin with here's the actual voting so far.

Durelin -> Kath
Kath -> Rikae
Menel -> Xyzzy
Fea -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2)
tgwbs -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin1)
Rune -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2)

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by [b

Boro[/b]]I think the risk is far too great. Not only will the wolves be able to manipulate who gets lynched (as they will know this 'plan') but it seems mostly random, so there is a minute chance to find a wolf and we have no idea how many gifted we have to help us, so there may be a greater chance that we whack a gifted (as Legate brings up).

Whaaaaa? If the wolves do manipulate who is lynched, that wolfish manipulation will be a clear trail to them tomorrow.

And as for lynching gifteds, I don't see why we would be more likely to do so by lynching a quiet player than a loud one.

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Mith

I have had a look at the narrative and the only firm conclusion I drew was that there is more than one gifted "those among you", and more than one wolf - probably more than two since, I think it would be unusual and technically incorrect ot use some when referring to two. Two wolves in such a large village would be suprising but there is a precedent *cough Fea cough*.

Surely you err in your calculations. I have never heard of a village with only two wolves.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Surely you err in your calculations. I have never heard of a village with only two wolves.

Fea's game had a lot of players but only two - and no gifted. Unless my memory plays tricks...

[Boromir88]

I am not sure if he means that the innocent will be lynched by other innocents, and it should have read your companions (to my picky linguistician's brain)~Mith

I agree that if Radagast was referring to the lynching of innocents than the proper word would have been 'your.' It could be that Radagast is referring to another kill at night (besides the wolves kill)...perhaps a character similar to Ang's assassin role? One who is on the villager's side, yet with a kill at night may make a mistake and take out some innocent people. This is the 'Bloodbath of the Anduin Vale' so it would not surprise me if we have more than one kill that takes place at night.

Whaaaaa? If the wolves do manipulate who is lynched, that wolfish manipulation will be a clear trail to them tomorrow.~Rikae

A clever wolf can get themselves out of a sticky situation by talking. The only way a wolf can not escape is if the seer dreams of them...but who even knows if we have a seer in this village?

And as for lynching gifteds, I don't see why we would be more likely to do so by lynching a quiet player than a loud one.

I disagree, a gifted who talks a lot, is one who is around a lot...and if trouble of being lynched most likely will reveal their gift. While a quiet gifted is not around as often and if he/she can't be around at the deadline, is thus not around to reveal.

[Boromir88]

Oh and another note as far as linguistics is concerned...could we question Radagast's knowledge of proper grammer? After all 'Radagast is a character in Esspiem's story, not Esspiem himself.' I've heard Radagast being called 'the Fool' and 'Simple' before, he seems kind of unintelligent and delights spending time amonst animals. Perhaps Radagast simply doesn't know how to speak properly.

Edit: x-ed with Aganzir

[Aganzir]

I think that seems rather unlikely. If we're told there will be hints of the roles in the narrations, I doubt even Sauce would put there false hints. But never can be sure.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Oh and another note as far as linguistics is concerned...could we question Radagast's knowledge of proper grammer? After all 'Radagast is a character in Esspiem's story, not Esspiem himself.' I've heard Radagast being called 'the Fool' and 'Simple' before, he seems kind of unintelligent and delights spending time amonst animals. Perhaps Radagast simply doesn't know how to speak properly.

Edit: x-ed with Aganzir

Or even grammar Radagast is a maia and he was called that by the treacherous Saruman. If I remember aright he was articulate enough, as reported by Gandalf, to say that the Shire was an uncouth name - though he omitted it's definite article.. so who knows. It is rather a digression. However SPM as a lawyer is tuned in to nice distinctions in language and I doupt he would have required a large number of delegates for a simple moot. So I would risk a small wager (thought not bet the house) on there being other enemies than wolves. Time will tell. A dark assasin would be perhaps only slightly less dangerous than a were-bear . Previously a werebear got nightly kills whereas the assasins were more limited I think.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

Oh and another note as far as linguistics is concerned...could we question Radagast's knowledge of proper grammer? After all 'Radagast is a character in Esspiem's story, not Esspiem himself.' I've heard Radagast being called 'the Fool' and 'Simple' before, he seems kind of unintelligent and delights spending time amonst animals. Perhaps Radagast simply doesn't know how to speak properly.

Ah yes, the good old days...
Anyway, I think Mith is making too much out of nothing. I believe the most probable answer is that SpM just made a grammar mistake. This, of course, does not exclude the possibility of a Werebear (as Boro already pointed out, Beorning villages are nearby), but I think we will know after the Night

Originally Posted by Volo

You the Bear? The role is new to me, what is it? A Shade-type creature? Or a cobbler with a kill? Or just a plain lonely Wolf?

Or isn't Volo a bear, by any chance, pretending not to know what it is?

Let's leave speculation, however, and go through important things. Morm-&-Gil ( ) didn't post toDay at all (I didn't even notice Gil's playing!), some people very scarcely. Of these I didn't like Isabellkya, because she said she'll be coming back and she didn't (at least until now). I think if someone's going to be absent, he should say it and certainly not make it appear that he'll be back when he actually does not plan to return at all.

However, I'm not going to vote the quiet ones anyway (reasons stated somewhere above). Now we have some "strange guys" like Volo, whom his new odd behavior might favour as a wolf, or he is simply innocent and nothing wrong with that. Another one might be Durelin, whose vote and strange other posts popping here and there are, well, strange. But since I remember a Wolf-Durelin being a quite vocal person, I think this might not be the case. Time will tell.

Boro and Rune seem the most "okay" to me for now.

About Mr.Noggins and Ye Olde Knighte Meneltarmacile I have spoken earlier. Noggins has kept his shadowy image of crawling haunter in the dark in my mind, but I am probably more concerned by Menel now than him. I have to ponder this yet, but I'm probably going to vote one of them.

Apart from this there is nothing much more to say. Oh yeah, one thing. Fea is definitely flying under the radar (from the very beginning).

Will be back yet.

EDIT: x-ed since Volo

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by deLegate

Now here there are several people saying basically the same, and everyone thinks it okay?

I think it affects this that there's no modfire. If someone isn't contributing much, it's up to us to deal with him/her, and the conventional wisdom seems to be that we should do it earlier rather than later.

I have to vote in an hour, but I have no idea whom. I don't feel like voting Kath or tgwbs from my possibly guilty -list. I could vote Shasta, who doesn't speak too much and of who I have a little bad feeling.

Fea is pretty innocentish, Legate a little strange. I have somewhat bad feeling about Volo, mostly due to his very extraordinary reasoning, but he warned us about it long before the game started, and I don't think it's good enough a reason to kill him on Day 1.

Well, there's still time, so I'll see if anything interesting happens before I cast my vote.

edit: xed with Boro