Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

the guy who be short · 06-01-2007, 02:54 PM

Why discuss potential roles (bears etc.) when we'll find out tonight? Why discuss the intro? - I doubt it will provide anything useful. All this is a distraction from wolf-hunting.

Rikae · 06-01-2007, 03:03 PM

I suppose I'd better vote.

I do suspect Kath, but she can be valuable if innocent, and I'd rather give her a chance to talk.

For now, I'm afraid I'll have to vote for:

++Xyzzy

Rikae · 06-01-2007, 03:04 PM

And, might I add, my vote represents me talking a stand for WW as it should be...talkative!! After all, the game only exists in our conversation!

Nogrod · 06-01-2007, 03:42 PM

Durelin -> Kath
Kath -> Rikae
Menel -> Xyzzy
Fea -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2)
tgwbs -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin1)
Rune -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2)
Volo -> tgwbs (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1)
Aganzir -> Shasta (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1)
Shasta -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1)
Mith -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel1)
Boro -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2)
Rikae -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy4, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2)

Here are reasons for these votes... my interpretations and comments for anything even remotely suspicous on them I mean (with some quotations).

Durelin for Kath: Out of the blue with no reason whatsoever eg. totally random. As there have been no played Night before it can’t be any seer stuff either... A weird one from a wolf but possible for Dury-wolf as well.

Kath for Rikae: “I've only had time to skim through the thread I really don't have much to go on”. Says Rikae has been testy and only defending ideas might be wolvish. I have a bad feeling about this even as she was in a hurry. Her testimony goes against the facts and it just sounds... well too much the dangerous Kath who makes an easy vote to save her Day1.

Menel for Xyzzy: “He is quite silente for ye moste parte, and what he did say was pretty suspiciouse.” So he has the mission to go for the silent ones and takes the most obvious / easy one? Logical for the early exiter but smells wolfy as well...

Fea on Xyzzy: “Because I have nobody better to vote for at the moment.” This was said after a long post where she discussed with / about many people but didn’t even mention Xyzzy. Safe vote at least... and who needs to vote safe?

Tgwbs for Durelin: “in the vein of killing the quiet” and the suspicious-looking as well? Hard to say anything about this. One could defend it and criticise it.

Rune for Durelin: “Durelin is always a mystery to me so she will recive my vote”. A safe-kind of vote as well with no points to back it so it could be suspected a lot. But other things Rune has said toDay kind of make me look upon him as an innocent rather than a fanged one.

Volo for tgwbs: “tgwbs looks the most innocent so sorry”. Need we add more to the curiosity of this choise? I’m torn between symphatising with Volo or just plain suspecting him of wolvery...

Aganzir for Shasta: “I have to vote in an hour, but I have no idea whom ....... I could vote Shasta, who doesn't speak too much and of who I have a little bad feeling.” Interestingly safely and emptily formulated after we all have seen how sharp she can be.

Shasta for Xyzzy: To avoid looking like someone who retaliates (so not voting for Aganzir or me) and to show out like an altruist (not Durelin who has been modfired lately) he votes for Xyzzy... Interesting reasons. And to my eye pretty wolfy as well as it seems to be about how he looks and not about whom his vote might aid to lynch (add the way he has played to this pot).

Mith for Menel: “Make a reasonable amount of posts, seem helpful, latch on to a soft target”. So the helpful-looking but under-radar wolf. She looks like she has actually come to the conclusion post after post while she was at it.

Boro for Menel: Suspected Menel from the very beginning – like he always does. But produced arguments as well. Logical and coherent vote. The time will tell whether that logic was the logic of an innocent (as I tend to believe at the moment) or not.

Rikae for Xyzzy: “my vote represents me talking a stand for WW as it should be...talkative!! After all, the game only exists in our conversation!” So not having anything better to go by and choosing the most suspicious or most displeasing of the bunch she thought we should go for in general? Possibly. I’m ready to take this as an innocent vote. Although this could be read as a safe one as well... All that talk about Xyzzy around and then avoiding the responsibilities that would have followed had she chosen someone else and needing to make cases for an innocent known to her being one...

Nogrod · 06-01-2007, 04:08 PM

Those who have not yet voted in the order of my perception of the possibility they will vote:

Thinlómien - will not vote (I know, I talked with her on a phone a few hours ago and she promised to text me if she thought she could vote without seeing the rest of the Day after she left - it's coming 1 AM here so she's sleeping I believe)

Gil-Galad - hasn't shown up at all...
Mormegil - hasn't shown up at all...

xyzzy - interesting to see if he comes to vote... he would then vote to save himself I guess.
The Sixth Wizard - hasn't been seen for a long time either... will he vote?

Isabellkya - I hope she will vote as she was around just a while ago
Legate of Amon Lanc - will vote, I think, hope

Nogrod - will vote.

The reason I'm doing this? To see our chances.

So the line to the gallows:
Xyzzy4
Durelin2
Menel2
Kath1
Rikae1
tgwbs1
Shasta1

At worst we have only two votes to come.

That means that my top suspects / worries seem to be out of reach (Kath and Shasta). But if many people enough would be willing to join me we might do it. It would need four votes. I would be happy to try either of them.

The next I would try Menel. That would take three votes.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-01-2007, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Isabellkya - I hope she will vote as she was around just a while ago

Well, it's actually about three hours. She has disappeared back then, she can now. Who knows...

Anyway apart from me now it's just xyzzy, unless Morm or Gil mysteriously appear out of thin air.

++Ye Olde Meneltarmacile

Isabellkya · 06-01-2007, 04:28 PM

Durelin -> Kath
Kath -> Rikae
Menel -> Xyzzy
Fea -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2)
tgwbs -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin1)
Rune -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2)
Volo -> tgwbs (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1)
Aganzir -> Shasta (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1)
Shasta -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1)
Mith -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel1)
Boro -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2)
Rikae -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy4, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2

What does all of this mean. I understand the first part; it is who is voting for who. But what is the stuff which is inside the commas?

I guess I will go with Xyzzy for not exactly coming back an posting more after his first post.. unless of course I missed it.

++Xyzzy

Legate of Amon Lanc · 06-01-2007, 04:14 PM

Yup, I'm here... and I'll be probably voting for Menel, as I said earlier, though I hoped I'll see some words from xyzzy, Six, Izabellkya... it also seems to me that it will be quite easy for xyzzy to vote for Menel if I do and someone else does as well... at least it does not look like a last-minute vote battle (or could it, if suddenly all of the missing emerged?)

The Sixth Wizard · 06-01-2007, 04:19 PM

Argh! I am very very sorry but my alarm clock failed to go off and I only have 15 minutes on WereWolf instead of an hour or two. Gah!

I suppose I should just vote for a quiet, and Durelin always annoys me...

+Durelin

Nogrod · 06-01-2007, 04:22 PM

I say we hold our thumbs for more people to gather around here and go for Menel (that would need one more).

But if there would be a fourth I would advise you all think about Kath or Shasta as well.

Nogrod · 06-01-2007, 04:23 PM

Aaaarrrggh!

EDIT: the earlier one was a crosspost... and our chances are getting slim indeed.

xyzzy · 06-01-2007, 04:26 PM

Aagh, I get on to find that people are voting me for a random comment! Horrors.

Since I know myself to be innocent, my best chance is a gamble: I'm gonig to vote

++Menel

I'd like to point out that if you want to get anything useful out of Isabellkya, you're going to have to be very direct; her playing style is like mine, but 1000% more.

I'm mildly suspicious of the various folks who've made a big deal about - may I point it out - the SECOND post in the game. Obviously, I had nothing to go on; for the most part, it was an inside joke between me and Isabellkya. (The forum where we play at besides here has an ironic habit of voting for people entirely on the basis that they were the first to post.

And while I'd like to live, I want to point out that lynching someone based on what you see as a bad playing style is often a successful strategy; if you don't kill a wolf, it's because you killed a reckless/dangerous person. Of course, I don't fancy myself reckless or dangerous, but you might.

The Sixth Wizard · 06-01-2007, 04:28 PM

Updatede Votes:

Xyzzy5 (not 4)
Durelin3
Menel4
Kath1
Rikae1
tgwbs1
Shasta1

Xyzzy or Menel?

(EDIT)

Xyzzy...

Nogrod · 06-01-2007, 04:29 PM

Let's go.

++ Meneltarmacil

I will scorn myself if Xyzzy turns out a baddie in the end though...

06-01-2007, 03:42 PM	#4
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Durelin -> Kath Kath -> Rikae Menel -> Xyzzy Fea -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2) tgwbs -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin1) Rune -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2) Volo -> tgwbs (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1) Aganzir -> Shasta (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1) Shasta -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1) Mith -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel1) Boro -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2) Rikae -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy4, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2) Here are reasons for these votes... my interpretations and comments for anything even remotely suspicous on them I mean (with some quotations). Durelin for Kath: Out of the blue with no reason whatsoever eg. totally random. As there have been no played Night before it can’t be any seer stuff either... A weird one from a wolf but possible for Dury-wolf as well. Kath for Rikae: “I've only had time to skim through the thread I really don't have much to go on”. Says Rikae has been testy and only defending ideas might be wolvish. I have a bad feeling about this even as she was in a hurry. Her testimony goes against the facts and it just sounds... well too much the dangerous Kath who makes an easy vote to save her Day1. Menel for Xyzzy: “He is quite silente for ye moste parte, and what he did say was pretty suspiciouse.” So he has the mission to go for the silent ones and takes the most obvious / easy one? Logical for the early exiter but smells wolfy as well... Fea on Xyzzy: “Because I have nobody better to vote for at the moment.” This was said after a long post where she discussed with / about many people but didn’t even mention Xyzzy. Safe vote at least... and who needs to vote safe? Tgwbs for Durelin: “in the vein of killing the quiet” and the suspicious-looking as well? Hard to say anything about this. One could defend it and criticise it. Rune for Durelin: “Durelin is always a mystery to me so she will recive my vote”. A safe-kind of vote as well with no points to back it so it could be suspected a lot. But other things Rune has said toDay kind of make me look upon him as an innocent rather than a fanged one. Volo for tgwbs: “tgwbs looks the most innocent so sorry”. Need we add more to the curiosity of this choise? I’m torn between symphatising with Volo or just plain suspecting him of wolvery... Aganzir for Shasta: “I have to vote in an hour, but I have no idea whom ....... I could vote Shasta, who doesn't speak too much and of who I have a little bad feeling.” Interestingly safely and emptily formulated after we all have seen how sharp she can be. Shasta for Xyzzy: To avoid looking like someone who retaliates (so not voting for Aganzir or me) and to show out like an altruist (not Durelin who has been modfired lately) he votes for Xyzzy... Interesting reasons. And to my eye pretty wolfy as well as it seems to be about how he looks and not about whom his vote might aid to lynch (add the way he has played to this pot). Mith for Menel: “Make a reasonable amount of posts, seem helpful, latch on to a soft target”. So the helpful-looking but under-radar wolf. She looks like she has actually come to the conclusion post after post while she was at it. Boro for Menel: Suspected Menel from the very beginning – like he always does. But produced arguments as well. Logical and coherent vote. The time will tell whether that logic was the logic of an innocent (as I tend to believe at the moment) or not. Rikae for Xyzzy: “my vote represents me talking a stand for WW as it should be...talkative!! After all, the game only exists in our conversation!” So not having anything better to go by and choosing the most suspicious or most displeasing of the bunch she thought we should go for in general? Possibly. I’m ready to take this as an innocent vote. Although this could be read as a safe one as well... All that talk about Xyzzy around and then avoiding the responsibilities that would have followed had she chosen someone else and needing to make cases for an innocent known to her being one... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-01-2007, 04:08 PM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Those who have not yet voted in the order of my perception of the possibility they will vote: Thinlómien - will not vote (I know, I talked with her on a phone a few hours ago and she promised to text me if she thought she could vote without seeing the rest of the Day after she left - it's coming 1 AM here so she's sleeping I believe) Gil-Galad - hasn't shown up at all... Mormegil - hasn't shown up at all... xyzzy - interesting to see if he comes to vote... he would then vote to save himself I guess. The Sixth Wizard - hasn't been seen for a long time either... will he vote? Isabellkya - I hope she will vote as she was around just a while ago Legate of Amon Lanc - will vote, I think, hope Nogrod - will vote. The reason I'm doing this? To see our chances. So the line to the gallows: Xyzzy4 Durelin2 Menel2 Kath1 Rikae1 tgwbs1 Shasta1 At worst we have only two votes to come. That means that my top suspects / worries seem to be out of reach (Kath and Shasta). But if many people enough would be willing to join me we might do it. It would need four votes. I would be happy to try either of them. The next I would try Menel. That would take three votes. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-01-2007, 04:28 PM	#7
Isabellkya Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Amongst trees. Posts: 919	Durelin -> Kath Kath -> Rikae Menel -> Xyzzy Fea -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2) tgwbs -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin1) Rune -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2) Volo -> tgwbs (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1) Aganzir -> Shasta (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1) Shasta -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1) Mith -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel1) Boro -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2) Rikae -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy4, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2 What does all of this mean. I understand the first part; it is who is voting for who. But what is the stuff which is inside the commas? I guess I will go with Xyzzy for not exactly coming back an posting more after his first post.. unless of course I missed it. ++Xyzzy __________________ But I was clinging to her like a homicidal monkey.

06-01-2007, 04:14 PM	#8
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yup, I'm here... and I'll be probably voting for Menel, as I said earlier, though I hoped I'll see some words from xyzzy, Six, Izabellkya... it also seems to me that it will be quite easy for xyzzy to vote for Menel if I do and someone else does as well... at least it does not look like a last-minute vote battle (or could it, if suddenly all of the missing emerged?) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

06-01-2007, 04:22 PM	#10
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I say we hold our thumbs for more people to gather around here and go for Menel (that would need one more). But if there would be a fourth I would advise you all think about Kath or Shasta as well. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-01-2007, 02:54 PM	#1
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Why discuss potential roles (bears etc.) when we'll find out tonight? Why discuss the intro? - I doubt it will provide anything useful. All this is a distraction from wolf-hunting.

06-01-2007, 03:03 PM	#2
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	I suppose I'd better vote. I do suspect Kath, but she can be valuable if innocent, and I'd rather give her a chance to talk. For now, I'm afraid I'll have to vote for: ++Xyzzy

06-01-2007, 03:04 PM	#3
Rikae Mellifluous Maia Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A glade open to the stars, deep in Nan Elmoth Posts: 3,489	And, might I add, my vote represents me talking a stand for WW as it should be...talkative!! After all, the game only exists in our conversation!

06-01-2007, 04:19 PM	#9
The Sixth Wizard Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stuck under a rock in Valinor with Ar-Pharazon. Posts: 480	Argh! I am very very sorry but my alarm clock failed to go off and I only have 15 minutes on WereWolf instead of an hour or two. Gah! I suppose I should just vote for a quiet, and Durelin always annoys me... +Durelin

06-01-2007, 04:23 PM	#11
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Aaaarrrggh! EDIT: the earlier one was a crosspost... and our chances are getting slim indeed. __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

06-01-2007, 04:26 PM	#12
xyzzy Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ozark, MO Posts: 53	Aagh, I get on to find that people are voting me for a random comment! Horrors. Since I know myself to be innocent, my best chance is a gamble: I'm gonig to vote ++Menel I'd like to point out that if you want to get anything useful out of Isabellkya, you're going to have to be very direct; her playing style is like mine, but 1000% more. I'm mildly suspicious of the various folks who've made a big deal about - may I point it out - the SECOND post in the game. Obviously, I had nothing to go on; for the most part, it was an inside joke between me and Isabellkya. (The forum where we play at besides here has an ironic habit of voting for people entirely on the basis that they were the first to post. And while I'd like to live, I want to point out that lynching someone based on what you see as a bad playing style is often a successful strategy; if you don't kill a wolf, it's because you killed a reckless/dangerous person. Of course, I don't fancy myself reckless or dangerous, but you might.

06-01-2007, 04:29 PM	#14
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Let's go. ++ Meneltarmacil I will scorn myself if Xyzzy turns out a baddie in the end though... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...