Werewolf Four and Thirty: Bloodbath in the Anduin Vale

[Nogrod]

Okay.

There are different "fractions" in this game and we should remeber this when we make judgements on others. The familiar logic of all the baddies knowing each other vs. all the blind goodies doesn't work here. And there may even be something like an odd fraction to muddy the waters even more. So possibly not two sides but three. I think this is important to remember while we make our analyses or form our judgements.

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Durelin's death I find interesting as it hides this enigma of a thief. So was there a relation of her role to the fact she got killed?

The easier version as I said surely makes it just a coincidence. The wolves wanted to kill Dury while Dury was up to the wolves, probably one of them. In this direction Dury has left us no hints whatsoever as she practically didn't discuss anyone yesterDay (see the value of speaking and actually saying something!!! we could do with some such clues right now!). The only thing we have here is Kath... She did vote her anyway. But would Kath-wolf wish to kill the one who had totally randomly voted for her with nothing of substance on Day1? I think that she could do it. No one who has played with her would believe a claim that she was worried about Dury and wished to do away with her. So no one would believe she was involved when Dury dies...

But what if there's a role that only kills during the Night if it's been acted upon (like the hunting, killing, dreaming, thiefing...) then the only person we might find to make sense that Dury was going to "thief" is... Kath again. I could even imagine a ruling that you must vote for a person you wish to steal her/his role from to add on your own repertoire the next Night or something. That would be an interesting role indeed!

Sorry, but I'm no cobbler. I just try to think things out...

Whichever way I look at Dury's death it still confirms my feeling that Kath is up to something that is not good.

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Boro had a good point on Isabellkaya. Her last actions do look pretty bad indeed. But the same can be said of The Sixth as well and his vote on Dury at the last moments some minutes before. The situation was quite similar. In Isabellkaya's case the softening factor is her newbieness, in Sixth's case it is his assurations in both this and the admin. thread that he had overslept and had just waken up. I mean that I have been involved in those last minute madnesses many times and must admit that they may be quite messy. Even one moderator once lost the track of the situation... *cough Mac cough*

Still I think we should look at them both toDay more carefully.

EDIT: X'd with Kath

[mormegil]

GAH! The delegate of the silent has arrived and doesn't have much to say....at least not yet

[The Sixth Wizard]

Okay, here's Ye Olde Wolfe's post details...

#7 ~ Says we should 'get ye wolves out into the opene'.

#13 ~ Says the best way to do what he says in #7 is to lynch the quiet ones.

#15 ~ Thinks xyzzy looks like a wolfe because of his suspicion casting.

#28 ~ Defends himselfe versuse Boromir88. Re-enforces his suspicions of xyzzy.

#35 ~ Changes tactics and says in italics "I am not saying that we must lynch all the quiet/unhelpful/whatever ones!

#59 ~ VOTES for xyzzy.

After that: He be Deade.


So basically trying very hard to get suspicion off him onto xyzzy and succeeding, but dying through the night. We have to suspect Izzy, who saved him...

(EDIT) x - ed with morm

[mormegil]

Trust me or not I do not care but Mith is innocnet I tell you. Now on to Fea another one I can read a bit better than most

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Votes from yesterday:

Durelin -> Kath
Kath -> Rikae
Menel -> Xyzzy
Fea -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2)
tgwbs -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin1)
Rune -> Durelin (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2)
Volo -> tgwbs (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1)
Aganzir -> Shasta (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy2, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1)
Shasta -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1)
Mith -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel1)
Boro -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy3, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2)
Rikae -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy4, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2)
Legate -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy4, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel3)
Xyzzy -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy4, Durelin2,, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel4)
Isobellkya -> Xyzzy (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy5, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel2)
Nogrod -> Menel (Kath1, Rikae1, Xyzzy5, Durelin2, tgwbs1, Shasta1, Menel5)

Okay, I missed a vote for Menel somewhere. Will edit momentarily.

Edit: WAIT A SECOND. There was a tie yesterday! What happened?

[Isabellkya]

What do thieves do; are they a sort of tracker?

The main reason I voted for Xyzzy was because it was the first name which popped into my head for questionable behavior. When I posted my vote for Xyzzy; about eight (I don't know the exact number,) or so new posts popped up. We can't change our votes; and how was I supposed to know that Menel was/is a baddie?

Anyways, I will post something more constructive in the morning. I am having a hard time controlling my yawns right now.

[Boromir88]

I'm wondering about the night time activities that took place and here's my input.

And those that she had spied on had summarily executed her for it.

This is Durelin's death, and the word 'those' makes it seem as if there were multiple people Durelin had spied on. So, I agree with Nogrod, that Durelin had been spying on the wolves and it was the wolves that took care of her.

Which leaves who killed Menel and Rune? Yesterday, I talked about the role of the bear. It was actually the first village my family was in, SpM was in that village to, and if I remember he was quite fond of the bear. Now in that village it was the 'Black Beorning' who was virtually a lone wolf, with a night kill and only one if he/she was the last one standing. Rune had been rather gruesomely killed, I wonder if we have a Black Beorning in the village?

Menel had also been gruesomely taken care of, though right now I am leaning to think that whomever disposed of Menel is on our side. Maybe an assasin type character? Obviously it was someone who was highly suspicious of Menel all day, disappointed he wasn't lynched, and so decided to take care of what the village failed to do during the day.

Nogrod, good point about The Sixth's votes, I was making some comments about those who voted for Menel and Isabell's vote for xyzzy which stuck out the most to me.

Shasta, you missed Sixth's vote for Durelin, but xyzzy and Menel did end up in a tie. There are no double lynchings in this village (as that old quack wizard told us we must choose 'one'), and I think whoever gets to the most votes first (in this case 5 and xyzzy) is the one that goes in the event of a tie.

[The Sixth Wizard]

Originally Posted by Izzy

The main reason I voted for Xyzzy was because it was the first name which popped into my head for questionable behavior. When I posted my vote for Xyzzy; about eight (I don't know the exact number,) or so new posts popped up. We can't change our votes; and how was I supposed to know that Menel was/is a baddie?

Whoah, just a second. The first name that popped into your head? Do you mean to tell us that you took that little amount of thought to your vote that late in the day, when it was so important? It basically saved Menel. I'm sorry, but you're still on my list of suspects...