How were the Three and the rest made?

[narfforc]

Of interest here are Feanors words about the breaking of the Silmarils: It may be that I can unlock my jewels, but never again shall I make their like; and if I must break them, I shall break my heart, and I shall be slain.........

This in some way mirrors Saurons demise upon the destruction of the One Ring, it is as if in some way they are both bonded to their greatest creations, of course there is no way to know if Feanor would have died and what exactly would have killed him, the emotions that he felt for The Jewels were bound to have some effect on him, or did he really put some of his spirit within them, how close are inner feelings of the being and spirit anyway.

[Morwen]

Originally Posted by Raynor

I don't know... both Yavanna and Feanor are unable to repeat their greatest works, which were both non-combative in nature. My bet is that all these three poured their power in their creations.

The Three represent Celebrimbor's finest work. But I don't know that they are connected to him in the way that the One is connected to Sauron. To destroy the Ring reduces Sauron to a shadow of malice. The Ring therefore isn't just his creation, it's effectively an extension of himself. If the Three were connected to Celebrimbor in a similar fashion, could he bear to give them away or have others use them?

With respect to Yavanna and Feanor, is their connection to their works the same as Sauron's? Yavanna is not destroyed by the destruction of the Trees and if the Yavanna had thought for one second that Feanor would actually die if he unlocked the Silmarils would she have requested it of him?

[Raynor]

My last post was intended to be a reply to The Might's; indeed, I don't think that Yavanna, Feanor, or Celebrimbor had a connection to their works similar to Sauron's.

As for Yavanna asking Feanor to give the silmarils, knowing that it might kill him... Hm, seeing that both Elrond and Gandalf would send the hobbits in a quest that most likely means their death, I would dare say she would ask such a thing, because it serves a higher cause than both of them.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by narfforc

Of interest here are Feanors words about the breaking of the Silmarils: It may be that I can unlock my jewels, but never again shall I make their like; and if I must break them, I shall break my heart, and I shall be slain.........

This in some way mirrors Saurons demise upon the destruction of the One Ring, it is as if in some way they are both bonded to their greatest creations, of course there is no way to know if Feanor would have died and what exactly would have killed him, the emotions that he felt for The Jewels were bound to have some effect on him, or did he really put some of his spirit within them, how close are inner feelings of the being and spirit anyway.

I like that idea, that the Art is so beautiful, so tied up with their feelings, that to break it is to destroy themselves, either literally or figuratively. Of course that brings to mind Gandalf's words to Saruman, that only a fool would break a thing, destroy it to find out how it was made; Gandalf there was talking about the Light (which yet again brings to mind prisms, jewel-like things of wonder that project rainbows...man ) but the Light itself is almost the ultimate expression of Art in Arda itself. Breaking Eru's Art, breaking Feanor's Art? It's an abomination to the Artist whatever. Then of course you come to Tolkien's analogy of the Tower and the Stones that make it....wait til davem sees that...

Now didn't Celebrimbor give Galadriel the gift of Nenya? A gift from Celebrimbor who loved Galadriel but of course could never act on his love beyond giving her great gifts. Did he make it for her though? Was love his intention as he made it or did he make it and then give it as a gift to her?

"But you know that I love you (though you turn to Celeborn of the trees), and for that love I will do what I can, if happily by my art your grief can be lessened."

If you look in UT it seems Celebrimbor had earlier given Galadriel the Elessar as a gift - though there are two possible sources of the Elessar I much prefer this version. So Nenya would be a more powerful, more important gift in terms of strength. Could be of course that Celebrimbor, working with the disguised Sauron to craft these Rings (and coupled with the possibilities of sanwe being involved in their intent and craft) had some inkling of how important it would be for Galadriel to found Lothlorien and to do what she would eventually come to do?

There are also questions about whether Nenya and the others were crafted out of love in contrast to the One being crafted out of craven desire for power, and how that had a bearing upon them.

[Raynor]

The way I see it, it is central to the story that the movitation of the elves for making the rings runs deeper than the particular feelings of one of them. That is, their motivation is the elvish motive of "preservation of what is desired or loved, or its semblance ".