WWXXXV: Werewolves among the Wolf-men - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Macalaure · 07-03-2007, 03:58 AM

Macalaure took a deep breath for the many things he was about to say:

"Firstly: Of Nogrod's suspicions on the last day:

Throughout the game, he wanted us to lynch the quiet ones, Gil and Izzy in particular, Mith to a much lesser degree.

Despite their quarrel, he wasn't really suspicious of Guy. At the end of the day he raises his suspicions a bit again, but not to a serious extent.

He makes a good point about Lhuna (too willing to take up other's points) which might be worth to be considered. I'll have to take one more look at her.

He's suspicious of Rikae and me, for saying that he might skip a kill and try to lead us astray. (In my case, this was just a thought that crossed my mind. If you look at my speeches, you will see that I never pursued this idea.)

He's suspicious of me in speech #168, and I can see where he comes from.

If the wolves forwent their kill for tactic reasons, he thinks it's Rikae and me.
However, I cannot see any such tactics anymore. Why not kill at one night and (try to) kill in the others? Makes no sense. I'm still not so eager to agree on the "clumsy wolves"-thing. Even the most clumsy wolf gets a kill right sometimes. I'd rather think that Beleg and Androg have been very apt (and, undebatably, rather lucky as well).

Secondly: Of the voting order:

1. the guy who be short (been suspicious of Nogrod almost all day. If he's a wolf, he's a gutsy one not afraid to commit)
2. Lhunardawen (there's been a lot of suspicion against Nogrod around when she made this pivotal vote. I'll have a look at her reasoning later. Taken by itself, this vote looks bad)
3. Isabellkya (this important vote gave Nogrod the clear lead and is suspicious therefore. It certainly doesn't make Izzy look better)
4. Macalaure (destroyed all hope left. It's less suspicious than Lhuna's and Izzy's vote, I think, but suspicious nonetheless)
5. Rikae (not the best reasoning behind it. Could be the vote of a wolf going with the flow. But she could easily have made a more well-reasoned vote for somebody else (esp. as a wolf, I mean), which makes her vote look better)
6. Brinniel (again, could be a wolf going with the flow)

Mithalwen's defensiveness of Nogrod could be wolvish in theory, but I get an extremely innocentish feel from it.

Thirdly: Of the things that have been said today:

Brinniel mainly states the obvious and Izzy states precisely nothing.

Gil obviously hasn't caught up on the game yet (Shasta is no werewolf and Brinniel hasn't been the most adamant to lynch him). Nevertheless he gives a vote, which raises my eyebrow, too. Brinn's reaction seems honest to me.

Now, in all the werewolf-plagued villages that my ancestors have been through, they have never encountered the offer "I'm not suspicious of you if you're not suspicious of me"!
You're not sure if Brinniel is a wolf or not. You see the need to defend yourself (of course) and you do that by voting her. Then you say you won't go after her if she doesn't go after you. That's the most horrible case of self-preservation I have ever come across."

After he ended his speech, he sat back to let Lhuna continue her's.

(crossed with the Guy)

07-03-2007, 03:58 AM	#11
Macalaure Fading Fëanorion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: into the flood again Posts: 2,911	Macalaure took a deep breath for the many things he was about to say: "Firstly: Of Nogrod's suspicions on the last day: Throughout the game, he wanted us to lynch the quiet ones, Gil and Izzy in particular, Mith to a much lesser degree. Despite their quarrel, he wasn't really suspicious of Guy. At the end of the day he raises his suspicions a bit again, but not to a serious extent. He makes a good point about Lhuna (too willing to take up other's points) which might be worth to be considered. I'll have to take one more look at her. He's suspicious of Rikae and me, for saying that he might skip a kill and try to lead us astray. (In my case, this was just a thought that crossed my mind. If you look at my speeches, you will see that I never pursued this idea.) He's suspicious of me in speech #168, and I can see where he comes from. If the wolves forwent their kill for tactic reasons, he thinks it's Rikae and me. However, I cannot see any such tactics anymore. Why not kill at one night and (try to) kill in the others? Makes no sense. I'm still not so eager to agree on the "clumsy wolves"-thing. Even the most clumsy wolf gets a kill right sometimes. I'd rather think that Beleg and Androg have been very apt (and, undebatably, rather lucky as well). Secondly: Of the voting order: 1. the guy who be short (been suspicious of Nogrod almost all day. If he's a wolf, he's a gutsy one not afraid to commit) 2. Lhunardawen (there's been a lot of suspicion against Nogrod around when she made this pivotal vote. I'll have a look at her reasoning later. Taken by itself, this vote looks bad) 3. Isabellkya (this important vote gave Nogrod the clear lead and is suspicious therefore. It certainly doesn't make Izzy look better) 4. Macalaure (destroyed all hope left. It's less suspicious than Lhuna's and Izzy's vote, I think, but suspicious nonetheless) 5. Rikae (not the best reasoning behind it. Could be the vote of a wolf going with the flow. But she could easily have made a more well-reasoned vote for somebody else (esp. as a wolf, I mean), which makes her vote look better) 6. Brinniel (again, could be a wolf going with the flow) Mithalwen's defensiveness of Nogrod could be wolvish in theory, but I get an extremely innocentish feel from it. Thirdly: Of the things that have been said today: Brinniel mainly states the obvious and Izzy states precisely nothing. Gil obviously hasn't caught up on the game yet (Shasta is no werewolf and Brinniel hasn't been the most adamant to lynch him). Nevertheless he gives a vote, which raises my eyebrow, too. Brinn's reaction seems honest to me. Now, in all the werewolf-plagued villages that my ancestors have been through, they have never encountered the offer "I'm not suspicious of you if you're not suspicious of me"! You're not sure if Brinniel is a wolf or not. You see the need to defend yourself (of course) and you do that by voting her. Then you say you won't go after her if she doesn't go after you. That's the most horrible case of self-preservation I have ever come across." After he ended his speech, he sat back to let Lhuna continue her's. (crossed with the Guy)