Tapestry of Dreams, Part 2 Discussion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nurumaiel · 07-03-2007, 10:38 PM

lmp, yes, I saw the posts concerning Leafa. Her death is a potential option, but I want to see if anyone is willing to take her on or not.

And even if there's no one willing, I still have to figure out if it would be right or not. Both in books and movies of late I've been coming across deaths that were put in the story merely for a tragedy, but weren't right in any way. They weren't simply sad... they also came across as being all wrong. And not wrong in the sense that any violent death is, but wrong story-wise, if that is at all clear.

So... I'm still pondering. And of course I still would have to get over being sentimental about her, too.

littlemanpoet · 07-04-2007, 09:49 AM

Yes, Nuru, and I'd like to get rid of Ædegard. Why? Well, he's just not that interesting to me. Falling in love with Leafa helped a little bit, but I just don't find him very interesting. Maybe I would have more a few years ago; fact is, I created him as a fun and games character for a winter snowball fight in Edoras a few years ago and never meant him for more than that, but he got swooshed into this tale. I'd much rather spend my time on Raefindan and Jorje. So I'm not really keen on taking on Leafa at all. One of these times, Ædegard is going to bite the dust. And that would actually fit very well into that song of the lover's ghost coming back to the lover, but only if there's someone who cares about those two characters enough. Otherwise, I can't see much point in them even being part of the adventure anymore. Let them go to Leafa's papa, get approval to get married, and go be wainwright and wife in Edoras. That's my humble opinion.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-04-2007, 10:05 AM

I know what you mean about 'wrong' deaths. There's a difference between crying out 'That's not right!' on an emotional level and quite another looking at a death inserted into a story and wondering what its purpose is.

I definately agree that we shouldn't just kill her off, brush the dirt off our hands, and move on. Anything that happens to the two lovebirds needs to further the plot and be true to the characters, end of story.

Find a way to break what binds them to the quest. Maybe have an Elf intuitively see that they need to be an example of the hope and love that must live on unfettered. Send 'em off to get married and live happily ever after. It's a sweet illustration of what's worth fighting for. They've done all they can, now it's time for sweet reward.

Or... you know... not.

Whatever you end up choosing works for me.

littlemanpoet · 07-04-2007, 10:33 AM

Here's a thought. Have someone dream of Ædegard throwing his life away in a stupid and unnecessary fight against Tharonwe. Then have a different someone dream - same night - of Ædegard being told by Bethberry that his work is done - he has helped bring Mellondu to the Elves, and has met the woman he was meant to meet, and his task is now finished.

Ick. After getting that written out I could feel it was nonsense. It just seems to me that Ædegard is supposed to die, perhaps saving someone else's life. Hmm....

Nurumaiel · 07-04-2007, 12:40 PM

lmp, just because I adore happy endings, I'd love to see the two of them simply go back home and get married. And, of course, if you did it the dream way, you'd be able to write out a tragic and heroic death scene without having it actually come to pass.

But regardless of what actually happens, it occurred to me that it would be a good thing for Liornung, or, rather, for me as the writer of Liornung. He's been sticking pretty close to Ædegard and Leafa. The former he swaps songs and stories with, the latter he sort of adopted when she joined them. If they make their exit from the story Bella will be the only one left who he really considers himself close to. And at this point in time she's off somewhere in the wilderness. This will make things interesting for him.

And along those some lines, if death for Ædegard or Leafa or both comes up, we also have to consider Liornung. He's very much involved in their story, and a sad ending for them would also have a deep effect on how his tale ends.

Oh, and I wanted to add as a last note... Fea, thanks for all your input on the Ædegard and Leafa story. It's very helpful to have the opinions and thoughts of one who isn't personally involved with the characters... though to me the story of Ædegard and Leafa is done, having known them for as long as I have, I get all wishy-washy whenever I think of them. When one devotes so much time and creative energy into creating a personality and a character, one sometimes has a slightly skewed vision of what serves the story best.

Feanor of the Peredhil · 07-04-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nurumaiel

When one devotes so much time and creative energy into creating a personality and a character, one sometimes has a slightly skewed vision of what serves the story best.

Seeeeriously.

littlemanpoet · 07-05-2007, 10:06 AM

I like the solution, Nuru. I can make the dream as heroic and grisly as fits, and then we can have a mushy papa ending for the pair. I don't NEED to kill off Ædegard, I just need to be freed from writing him.

If this solution is acceptable to all, I'm willing to go with it.

07-03-2007, 10:38 PM	#1
Nurumaiel Vice of Twilight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on a mountain Posts: 1,121	lmp, yes, I saw the posts concerning Leafa. Her death is a potential option, but I want to see if anyone is willing to take her on or not. And even if there's no one willing, I still have to figure out if it would be right or not. Both in books and movies of late I've been coming across deaths that were put in the story merely for a tragedy, but weren't right in any way. They weren't simply sad... they also came across as being all wrong. And not wrong in the sense that any violent death is, but wrong story-wise, if that is at all clear. So... I'm still pondering. And of course I still would have to get over being sentimental about her, too. __________________ In the fury of the moment I can see the Master's hand in every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand.

07-04-2007, 10:05 AM	#3
Feanor of the Peredhil La Belle Dame sans Merci Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: perpetual uncertainty Posts: 5,517	I know what you mean about 'wrong' deaths. There's a difference between crying out 'That's not right!' on an emotional level and quite another looking at a death inserted into a story and wondering what its purpose is. I definately agree that we shouldn't just kill her off, brush the dirt off our hands, and move on. Anything that happens to the two lovebirds needs to further the plot and be true to the characters, end of story. Find a way to break what binds them to the quest. Maybe have an Elf intuitively see that they need to be an example of the hope and love that must live on unfettered. Send 'em off to get married and live happily ever after. It's a sweet illustration of what's worth fighting for. They've done all they can, now it's time for sweet reward. Or... you know... not. Whatever you end up choosing works for me. __________________ peace

07-04-2007, 12:40 PM	#5
Nurumaiel Vice of Twilight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on a mountain Posts: 1,121	lmp, just because I adore happy endings, I'd love to see the two of them simply go back home and get married. And, of course, if you did it the dream way, you'd be able to write out a tragic and heroic death scene without having it actually come to pass. But regardless of what actually happens, it occurred to me that it would be a good thing for Liornung, or, rather, for me as the writer of Liornung. He's been sticking pretty close to Ædegard and Leafa. The former he swaps songs and stories with, the latter he sort of adopted when she joined them. If they make their exit from the story Bella will be the only one left who he really considers himself close to. And at this point in time she's off somewhere in the wilderness. This will make things interesting for him. And along those some lines, if death for Ædegard or Leafa or both comes up, we also have to consider Liornung. He's very much involved in their story, and a sad ending for them would also have a deep effect on how his tale ends. Oh, and I wanted to add as a last note... Fea, thanks for all your input on the Ædegard and Leafa story. It's very helpful to have the opinions and thoughts of one who isn't personally involved with the characters... though to me the story of Ædegard and Leafa is done, having known them for as long as I have, I get all wishy-washy whenever I think of them. When one devotes so much time and creative energy into creating a personality and a character, one sometimes has a slightly skewed vision of what serves the story best. __________________ In the fury of the moment I can see the Master's hand in every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand.

07-04-2007, 09:49 AM	#2
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Yes, Nuru, and I'd like to get rid of Ædegard. Why? Well, he's just not that interesting to me. Falling in love with Leafa helped a little bit, but I just don't find him very interesting. Maybe I would have more a few years ago; fact is, I created him as a fun and games character for a winter snowball fight in Edoras a few years ago and never meant him for more than that, but he got swooshed into this tale. I'd much rather spend my time on Raefindan and Jorje. So I'm not really keen on taking on Leafa at all. One of these times, Ædegard is going to bite the dust. And that would actually fit very well into that song of the lover's ghost coming back to the lover, but only if there's someone who cares about those two characters enough. Otherwise, I can't see much point in them even being part of the adventure anymore. Let them go to Leafa's papa, get approval to get married, and go be wainwright and wife in Edoras. That's my humble opinion.

07-04-2007, 10:33 AM	#4
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Here's a thought. Have someone dream of Ædegard throwing his life away in a stupid and unnecessary fight against Tharonwe. Then have a different someone dream - same night - of Ædegard being told by Bethberry that his work is done - he has helped bring Mellondu to the Elves, and has met the woman he was meant to meet, and his task is now finished. Ick. After getting that written out I could feel it was nonsense. It just seems to me that Ædegard is supposed to die, perhaps saving someone else's life. Hmm....

07-05-2007, 10:06 AM	#7
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	I like the solution, Nuru. I can make the dream as heroic and grisly as fits, and then we can have a mushy papa ending for the pair. I don't NEED to kill off Ædegard, I just need to be freed from writing him. If this solution is acceptable to all, I'm willing to go with it.