Middle Earth Fantasy Football World Cup - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-05-2007, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleepy

Formation: 3-4-3

But Sleepy, that's not a permissible formation ...

Nogrod · 07-05-2007, 06:58 AM

I didn't follow the last year's tournament but am I right when I'm beginning to wonder whether everyone wishing to win this should pick up Sleepy as he will make himself the top scorer of the games?

***Thenamir*** · 07-05-2007, 08:56 AM

I know next-to-nothing about this brand of football, but here's my picks based on sheer guesswork:

GK--Watcher in the Water (Moria)

DF--Beren (Doriath)

DF--Glorfindel (Rivendell)

DF--Luthien(Doriath)

MF--Gwaihir (Misty Mountains)

Maedhros (Tuna)

The Phantom (Barrow-Downs)

MF--Dwalin (Misty Mountains)

Miller (Ham)

FW--Mormegil (Nargothrond)

FW--Saucepan Man (Barrow-Downs)

EDIT: This team reflects changes made before the matches played on July 18th

The Watcher in the Water is a natural goalkeeper -- between size, strength, and all those arms, he should prove a worthy adversary.

For defenders I chose the husband-wife team of Beren and Luthien for their skill in stealing the prize from even the strongest of adversaries, and Glorfindel of Rivendell for his ability to get through tough situations against multiple opponents.

At midfield, the Gandalf-Gwaihir pairing seemed like a good combination of speed and experience. Balance that out with Quickbeam as the steady power-player, Legolas for dexterity, and Sam for gritty stick-to-it-iveness, I believe I have a formidable center.

Finally, a pair of unusual picks at forward. Tulkas seems more like a defender-type, but I am casting against type here because I believe that Tulkas will be able to dominate his way around (and through!) most defenders. Frodo is the exact opposite of Tulkas -- small, relatively weak, and with a demonstrated tendency to slip and make mistakes right at the scoring opportunity. However, with faithful Sam at midfield, he should be able to obtain the goal.

Let the games begin!

Sleepy Ranger · 07-05-2007, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

But Sleepy, that's not a permissible formation ...

It's not? Ouch... thanks for pointing that out. How stupid of me...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I didn't follow the last year's tournament but am I right when I'm beginning to wonder whether everyone wishing to win this should pick up Sleepy as he will make himself the top scorer of the games?

Of course not. All matches are simulated...

Rune Son of Bjarne · 07-05-2007, 11:47 AM

I shall play an atractive 4-3-3 like the one Laudrup will no doubt introduce in Getafe.

GK:
Fingolfin - Tuna

DF:
Glorfindel – Rivendell
Ancalagon the Black – Angband
Ulfang - Angband
Thingol - Doriath

MF:
Tuor - Gondolin
Feanor of the Peredhil – Barrow-downs
Gandalf - Lothlorien

FW:
Witch-King - Mordor
Rune Son of Bjarne - Barrow-Downs
Stone Giant – Misty Mountains

As you can see there has been no strategy involved in my selection of players.

Chant:
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

Rune is our hero and showed us how to play
The mighty Reds of Middle-Earth is out to win today
He made a team of champions where every man is king
And every game we love to win and this is what we sing:

We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

We won league we won the cup we are masters of the game
And just to prove how good we are we'll do it once again
We got another team to beat and so we got to try
Cause we are the best in all the land and that's the reason why:

We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

Fingolfin is our goallie the best there is around
And Tuor is the greates that Rune ever found
Gandalf is our favourit the wizard of the game
and here is that mighty Stone Giant to do it once again!

We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
We love you team Rune we do!
oooooh team Rune we love you!

(that was the best I could come up with in 10 min. as you can see it does not fit intirely as it is a Liverpool song. . .that is also the reason to why my team goes under the name "the reds")

***Thenamir*** · 07-05-2007, 01:42 PM

Can we set up more than one team? My current team is all "Good Guys" (save the Watcher, who I think is motivated merely by self-interest rather than picking a side) I'd like to pick a "Dark Side" team to see how one fares against the other.

Sleepy Ranger · 07-05-2007, 01:58 PM

Sorry Thenamir I'm afraid it's one team per person. If you'd like you still have unlimited trades till the tournament starts. A few friendlies have been posted in the other thread which may help in picking your final team.

Also, I think you're a bit off on your idea of what's actually going on. Your team won't really be playing, instead each player will be given individual points depending on how they perform in the matches they play for their teams in the actual World Cup.

***Thenamir*** · 07-05-2007, 02:00 PM

Right. I understand the basic concept of fantasy leagues, though I've never participated heretofore. I just wanted to see how the good guys would stack up against the bad guys. Thanks!

Nogrod · 07-05-2007, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

Of course not. All matches are simulated...

Just out of curiosity though... How are you making this? Are you just picking some already existing teams from the game and assigning them to these fantasy teams - like Nottingham Forest will be the Barrow-Downs and Dundee united will be Fangorn; Peter Crouch is Rune, Steven Gerrard is Spm and Dirk Kuyt is Sleepy - or are you actually creating new teams with something like a team-editor to play against each other?

In the first case it might be nice to know which teams you are making to play as which fantasy team. Knowing there is Didier Drogba and Frank Lampard hiding behind Elendil and Isildur might make a difference with the choosing...

In the second case, are you making all the teams as good and players in different positions as good compared to each other in other teams?

Sleepy Ranger · 07-05-2007, 04:57 PM

All the teams have a real-life counterpart behind them. The reason they've not been given away is to maintain the aura of the contest. Though I reckon when screen-shots start going up you'll probably start figuring it out yourself. As for now all we can reveal is that the teams have been assigned based on strength of the area and to an extent, their fan support. The more central characters will be given to priority for the best players on their respective teams.

Just as an example,
Were Angband to be Argentina. Melkor would be Crespo.

Think along those lines and it'll clear it up for you.

Nogrod · 07-05-2007, 05:31 PM

Like I thought it would be...

I'm not competitive in this. Indeed I think this is just pure fun for an occasional football fan like me. But just as a matter of principle, isn't there a minor problem with you and Arcticstorm taking part in this as you will know exactly which team is which and who will be who?

To be sure, I'm not wishing you to reveal the teams or the players as that would mean that we all players here would have the tools to start working with our choises to make educated guesses about the relative chances of certain players' success - and that's the last thing I want as I think this should be fun played with the left hand and not something I'd need to study and work with.

But you should try these "team-editor" -things one day. It's a bit of work but it's fun also. We used to have something like 20+ teams with my Fifa 03 (04?) together with Lommy and her sis. There were the teams of the ancient Greek philosophers and the German philosophers of the 19th and 20th century (following the lead from Monty Python), there was the cartoon team Comix (characters from Asterix, Tintin etc.), the sci-fi team (characters from Iain M. Banks, Star Wars, Star Trek etc.), Tolkien goodies team and a baddies team (that's why I will cling to the Witch King as he was the top-scorer in that team of ours

), a team of RL dictators (Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Stalin... their playing suits were green with tints of red and gold like military style), a team Enlightenment (from Franklin to Robespierre), Corpus Christi for medieval theologians and a team for 15th-16th century humanists (Montaigne, Ficino... funnily including Savonarola!), there were Hollywood stars and Finnish national cultural heroes, there was a team of Lommy's an her sis' roleplay characters and a team of our shared fantasy-characters with whom we make Olympic-games (in things like archery, drinking, writing poems, Ms./Mr. competition, card-playing, composing, drawing/painting, favourite song judgement, the weakest link etc...) and whatever...

And we actually built those teams from scratch making every player with the looks and the stats from nothing just trying to balance the overall level of all teams to be relatively competent with each other. That was a lot of fun - and playing threesome with these teams was just great.

Sadly we lost them all when I had to upgrade my computer as the earlier one broke off...

Volo · 07-06-2007, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleepy Ranger

...their fan support.

You mean Niggle's Parish will be the strongest team around?

Sleepy Ranger · 07-07-2007, 10:31 AM

As nice as it would be to make all the teams that would bring about two problems. The first in the game I'm using it costs game money to make players, I wouldn't have near enough for the required number of players. Second, there's only enough room for about 15 teams. So again, it wouldn't really permit a World Cup.

Mind you, we have selected only the stronges of the teams in the game. So everyone should have a decent shout at doing something.

the phantom · 07-07-2007, 12:42 PM

Can we please run 3-4-3 since Arnor is doing it in the tournament? I was trying to put together a team and my 3-4-3 team is the only one I really like.

07-05-2007, 06:58 AM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I didn't follow the last year's tournament but am I right when I'm beginning to wonder whether everyone wishing to win this should pick up Sleepy as he will make himself the top scorer of the games? __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-05-2007, 08:56 AM	#3
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 987	Thenamir Untied I know next-to-nothing about this brand of football, but here's my picks based on sheer guesswork: GK--Watcher in the Water (Moria) DF--Beren (Doriath) DF--Glorfindel (Rivendell) DF--Luthien(Doriath) MF--Gwaihir (Misty Mountains) Maedhros (Tuna) The Phantom (Barrow-Downs) MF--Dwalin (Misty Mountains) Miller (Ham) FW--Mormegil (Nargothrond) FW--Saucepan Man (Barrow-Downs) EDIT: This team reflects changes made before the matches played on July 18th The Watcher in the Water is a natural goalkeeper -- between size, strength, and all those arms, he should prove a worthy adversary. For defenders I chose the husband-wife team of Beren and Luthien for their skill in stealing the prize from even the strongest of adversaries, and Glorfindel of Rivendell for his ability to get through tough situations against multiple opponents. At midfield, the Gandalf-Gwaihir pairing seemed like a good combination of speed and experience. Balance that out with Quickbeam as the steady power-player, Legolas for dexterity, and Sam for gritty stick-to-it-iveness, I believe I have a formidable center. Finally, a pair of unusual picks at forward. Tulkas seems more like a defender-type, but I am casting against type here because I believe that Tulkas will be able to dominate his way around (and through!) most defenders. Frodo is the exact opposite of Tulkas -- small, relatively weak, and with a demonstrated tendency to slip and make mistakes right at the scoring opportunity. However, with faithful Sam at midfield, he should be able to obtain the goal. Let the games begin! __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

07-05-2007, 01:42 PM	#6
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 987	Can we set up more than one team? My current team is all "Good Guys" (save the Watcher, who I think is motivated merely by self-interest rather than picking a side) I'd like to pick a "Dark Side" team to see how one fares against the other. __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

07-05-2007, 01:58 PM	#7
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	Sorry Thenamir I'm afraid it's one team per person. If you'd like you still have unlimited trades till the tournament starts. A few friendlies have been posted in the other thread which may help in picking your final team. Also, I think you're a bit off on your idea of what's actually going on. Your team won't really be playing, instead each player will be given individual points depending on how they perform in the matches they play for their teams in the actual World Cup. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

07-05-2007, 02:00 PM	#8
*Thenamir* Spectre of Capitalism Join Date: May 2001 Location: Battling evil bureaucrats at Zeta Aquilae Posts: 987	Right. I understand the basic concept of fantasy leagues, though I've never participated heretofore. I just wanted to see how the good guys would stack up against the bad guys. Thanks! __________________ The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~~ Marcus Aurelius

07-05-2007, 04:57 PM	#10
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	All the teams have a real-life counterpart behind them. The reason they've not been given away is to maintain the aura of the contest. Though I reckon when screen-shots start going up you'll probably start figuring it out yourself. As for now all we can reveal is that the teams have been assigned based on strength of the area and to an extent, their fan support. The more central characters will be given to priority for the best players on their respective teams. Just as an example, Were Angband to be Argentina. Melkor would be Crespo. Think along those lines and it'll clear it up for you. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

07-05-2007, 05:31 PM	#11
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Like I thought it would be... I'm not competitive in this. Indeed I think this is just pure fun for an occasional football fan like me. But just as a matter of principle, isn't there a minor problem with you and Arcticstorm taking part in this as you will know exactly which team is which and who will be who? To be sure, I'm not wishing you to reveal the teams or the players as that would mean that we all players here would have the tools to start working with our choises to make educated guesses about the relative chances of certain players' success - and that's the last thing I want as I think this should be fun played with the left hand and not something I'd need to study and work with. But you should try these "team-editor" -things one day. It's a bit of work but it's fun also. We used to have something like 20+ teams with my Fifa 03 (04?) together with Lommy and her sis. There were the teams of the ancient Greek philosophers and the German philosophers of the 19th and 20th century (following the lead from Monty Python), there was the cartoon team Comix (characters from Asterix, Tintin etc.), the sci-fi team (characters from Iain M. Banks, Star Wars, Star Trek etc.), Tolkien goodies team and a baddies team (that's why I will cling to the Witch King as he was the top-scorer in that team of ours ), a team of RL dictators (Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Stalin... their playing suits were green with tints of red and gold like military style), a team Enlightenment (from Franklin to Robespierre), Corpus Christi for medieval theologians and a team for 15th-16th century humanists (Montaigne, Ficino... funnily including Savonarola!), there were Hollywood stars and Finnish national cultural heroes, there was a team of Lommy's an her sis' roleplay characters and a team of our shared fantasy-characters with whom we make Olympic-games (in things like archery, drinking, writing poems, Ms./Mr. competition, card-playing, composing, drawing/painting, favourite song judgement, the weakest link etc...) and whatever... And we actually built those teams from scratch making every player with the looks and the stats from nothing just trying to balance the overall level of all teams to be relatively competent with each other. That was a lot of fun - and playing threesome with these teams was just great. Sadly we lost them all when I had to upgrade my computer as the earlier one broke off... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 07-05-2007 at 05:41 PM.

07-07-2007, 10:31 AM	#13
Sleepy Ranger Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: On the field, kissing the 'Downs crest Posts: 1,654	As nice as it would be to make all the teams that would bring about two problems. The first in the game I'm using it costs game money to make players, I wouldn't have near enough for the required number of players. Second, there's only enough room for about 15 teams. So again, it wouldn't really permit a World Cup. Mind you, we have selected only the stronges of the teams in the game. So everyone should have a decent shout at doing something. __________________ And tonight we can truly say, together we're invincible... Middle-Earth Football World Cup 2007

07-07-2007, 12:42 PM	#14
the phantom Beloved Shadow Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Stadium Posts: 5,971	Can we please run 3-4-3 since Arnor is doing it in the tournament? I was trying to put together a team and my 3-4-3 team is the only one I really like. __________________ the phantom has posted. This thread is now important. Last edited by the phantom; 07-09-2007 at 02:40 PM.