Arwen vs. Galadriel

[Mithalwen]

No brainer then ..... Faramir..... soaked in oil or not ..... poor love, makes him seem like a cormorant in an oil slick ...however I have detergent....

PS If it is a choice between (half) elf boys - then the Finrod/ Elrond choice would be tricksy...

[Lalwendë]

How about an Elrond/Faramir dilemma for you then, Mithalwen? :P

I think my choice would be the Faramir Vs Boromir face-off. T'would be no contest in terms of the films, but as for the books...flip...that's just too tough to answer....

I just wonder how many guys would prefer Arwen (or Xenarwen to give her the proper name as this is the film I am talking about now) if she had been played by say.......Keira Knightley? She seems so much more suited to Xenarwen than the lovely placid Liv.

[Andsigil]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

How about an Elrond/Faramir dilemma for you then, Mithalwen? :P

I think my choice would be the Faramir Vs Boromir face-off. T'would be no contest in terms of the films, but as for the books...flip...that's just too tough to answer....

I just wonder how many guys would prefer Arwen (or Xenarwen to give her the proper name as this is the film I am talking about now) if she had been played by say.......Keira Knightley? She seems so much more suited to Xenarwen than the lovely placid Liv.

Hmmm... I wouldn't have preferred her.

Kiera Knightly has a chin like a boot-toe and one of the largest underbites in the film industry. Add to that her complete lack of feminine curves, and I don't see what people find attractive in her.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Andsigil

Hmmm... I wouldn't have preferred her.

Kiera Knightly has a chin like a boot-toe and one of the largest underbites in the film industry. Add to that her complete lack of feminine curves, and I don't see what people find attractive in her.

Andsigil has the ladies flocking to his door now

I just couldn't believe Liv being a Warrior Princess - it didn't work for me. Maybe as she was so good at being ethereal it didn't seem right when she was being a Riot Grrl? Or maybe it's down to PJ having messed with the original roles too much? But Keira (however you spell her name ) seems to have that tough/pretty thing down in spades - as seen in King Arthur and Pirates.

[Andsigil]

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Andsigil has the ladies flocking to his door now

Married 16 years with 4 kids. Having successfully hunted my trophy, I am now free to be bluntly honest.

[MatthewM]

Did someone say Keira Knightley?

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[Andsigil]

Yes. But she's not really worth talking about for the above-listed reasons.

A friend of mine told me that Claire Forlani was first considered to play Arwen. She has sufficiently "elvish" looks to her- and no boot-toe chin or underbite.

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[Lollipop010900]

Book wise, it's Galadriel for me! Not because she is pretty but because she is powerful and actually does something. Arwen is a bit of a sook in the book because all she does is become a mortal and make a banner. In the movies, Arwen is way prettier, but Galadriel again is way more awesome.

[Glorthelion]

Arwen, because she is descended from Luthien the fairest elf to ever live. It says somewhere in the Lord of the Rings books that Arwen was the fairest since the time of Luthien.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Glorthelion

Arwen, because she is descended from Luthien the fairest elf to ever live. It says somewhere in the Lord of the Rings books that Arwen was the fairest since the time of Luthien.

Thing is, Galadriel is also said to be the fairest. It's like the competition between Treebeard and Tom B about who is older.

[elbenprincess]

Yes, it is said that Galadriel was the "mightiest and fairest of the remaining elves" and IMHO Arwen was an elf, ntil she decided to become mortal and Gimli thought also that Galadriel was fairer and if Arwen really would look like Luthien, which she didn´t, she is said to walk in the likeness of Luthien, then there should be no doubt left who is fairer.

And beside the fairest thing, Galadriel is much more powerful and awesome and in one league with Feanor.

[cellurdur]

Originally Posted by elbenprincess

Yes, it is said that Galadriel was the "mightiest and fairest of the remaining elves" and IMHO Arwen was an elf, ntil she decided to become mortal and Gimli thought also that Galadriel was fairer and if Arwen really would look like Luthien, which she didn´t, she is said to walk in the likeness of Luthien, then there should be no doubt left who is fairer.

And beside the fairest thing, Galadriel is much more powerful and awesome and in one league with Feanor.

Arwen was never an elf. She was one of the Half-elven like her father and brothers. Arwen does resemble Luthien in both looks and character. I think it can be agreed that most people considered Awen the fairest of the elves.

As for power, I agree Galadriel was more powerful than Arwen, but Arwen was a power in her own right. She does become the queen of all the remaining elves in Middle Earth.

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by cellurdur

Arwen was never an elf. She was one of the Half-elven like her father and brothers. Arwen does resemble Luthien in both looks and character. I think it can be agreed that most people considered Awen the fairest of the elves.

She's certainly very beautiful, and those who know what they talk about say that she's Luthien reborn (not literally of course). However, she is not as potent as Luthien.

As for power, I agree Galadriel was more powerful than Arwen, but Arwen was a power in her own right. She does become the queen of all the remaining elves in Middle Earth.

Certainly. I think that Arwen has an innate power of her own, albeit a lesser one than that of Luthien and Galadriel. The reason I prefer Galadriel over Arwen is not because one is more beautiful or has greater power. I just like Galadriel's portrayal better - and better than Luthien's too, by th way. To be honest, I like Morwen Eledhwen better than either of them, and, though she's beautiful and powerful in her own right, she's no match for an elf or even half-elf. But I absolutely adore her because of her role and her story.

[elbenprincess]

Originally Posted by cellurdur

Arwen was never an elf. She was one of the Half-elven like her father and brothers. Arwen does resemble Luthien in both looks and character. I think it can be agreed that most people considered Awen the fairest of the elves.

As for power, I agree Galadriel was more powerful than Arwen, but Arwen was a power in her own right. She does become the queen of all the remaining elves in Middle Earth.

Arwen is said to walk in the "likeness of Luthien", but not that she resembles her looks. Unless I forgett something, there is no evidence that Arwen is the fairest in ME, I believe Tolkien at least meant Galadriel and her to be equally beautiful.

And for the quote I stated, that Galadriel is the"...and fairest of the remaining elves" IMHO, when Tolkien is takling generally of elves, both Elrond and Arwen are included, otherwise he would probably say "...the elves of Me and the two half elves..." But that would be silly and nitpicking, so he probably just says elves. Elrond because he chose to be counted among the Eldar and Arwen cause she lifed the life of the Eldar and had their youth and until the point she chose to become mortal she was for me an elf maiden. Genetical she is half elfen but culturally elf, until she decided to become a mortal women.

I prefer Luthien because of her wild and rebellious touch

I really don´t see her as wild and rebellios, I mean it wold have been good, but everything what she did was for Beren and not because she was freeminded and felt confined in Doriath.

And for Luthien I´m really not impressed by her even if Tolkien said that she was the greatest of the Eldar, everything what she did was for the sake of her love to beren but not for the greater good. Would Beren not have come to Doriath Luthien wold probably still dance under a tree. Don´t get me wrong her deeds are impressive, but not Luthien, would she have went to Morgoth to free some people, Finrod for example then I would be impressed or if she became active before she met Beren, that for me would be an example of a strong women but she did that cause she couldn´t life without Beren.

That´s why Galadriel for me is greater (even if Tolkien sees it differently), she chose to stay in ME (if we leave out her pride, which was one reason) for the greater good to see Sauron fall and help where she could.

Galadriel, like virtually all the Lords/Ladies of the House of Finwe, seems a bit too power hungry. Even Finrod, who is another one of my favourite characters.

I speak now only for Galadriel but did she leave Aman only for power, I see it rather as need for responsibility and there is nothing wrong with it. She wanted to have her own kindom to have something to do, to accomplish something and not just sit singing under a tree. In the UT she is disribed as being "brilliant in mind and swift in action", so like all hugely intelligent people she was looking for a challenge but she still wanted only good for her people (she never would have suppressed someone (unlike Sauron or Morgoth) and every society needs a leader. So I see nothing negative in Galadriel wanting a realm of her own, as long as she doesn´t force the elves to accept her.

but Arwen was a power in her own right. She does become the queen of all the remaining elves in Middle Earth.

Yes, but that was nothing she accieved in her own, it was because of her marriage to Aragon, if she had fought for it and went through many dangers (like Aragon) then I would be impressed but she was only lucky that Aragon loved her, otherwise we maybe would have never even heard of her.

[Elyna of Rivendell]

I think Arwen in the movies was prettier, don't get me wrong Cate Blanchett is gorgeous too, but Arwen is amazing! However, Galadriel seems to be more powerful and 'elfy' and she also is a seriously awesome woman.

So I think Arwen is prettier, but I think Galadriel is cooler.

[Mithalwen]

I think Liv Tyler has one of those faces you love or hate. My young male cousin claimed she looked like an alien and literally couldn't bear to watch her. For me she looked sulky a lot of the time though I have warmed to her in interviews. I thought Cate Blanchett waa perfect. She is a truly great actress and her slightly feline looks give her beauty an otherworldly quality. However to be fair I have never quite decided who I qould have preferred as Arwen.

But beauty is subjective. In objective categories there is no contest. Galadriel wins!

[Pervinca Took]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

However to be fair I have never quite decided who I qould have preferred as Arwen.

I have, but it's academic because they would have been too old by the time the films were made. I could have seen Jane Lapotaire in the role, or possibly Cherie Lunghi. Madeleine Stowe would probably still have looked young enough, and is closer to the kind of beauty I would associate with Arwen.

Thinking about it ... hasn't occurred to me before, but there's Rebecca Pidgeon (from The Winslow Boy). She would have been excellent. I also think Sandra Bullock is a good actress, and could have conveyed the depth and maturity of Arwen (thinking of her other roles).

But all subjective, as Mithalwen said, and just my own opinions.

I agree that Cate Blanchett was excellent casting, though. There is a kind of translucent quality to her.

[Mithalwen]

Yesxacyoung Madeleine Stowecis the right type. The nearest right age in looks for me is the singer Sophie Ellis Bextor

[Morthoron]

Arwen v. Galadriel?

*blinks*

I wouldn't kick either out of bed for eating crackers.

*shrugs*

[Belegorn]

If I would pick an Arwen it would be Eva Green. She is hot hot hot. Maybe a bit too sexy to be Arwen, but she's still beautiful anyway.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by elizabethnavel

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[Belegorn]

Apparently not influenced by his writing.

[Galin]

Well I do have nice hair... I mean no bird droppings in it whatsoever, for example.

Wait... 'merely' attractive? Why thank you Beth [if I may call you Beth]... I think