A 'darker' Hobbit - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Sauron the White · 07-15-2007, 04:05 PM

I cannot disagree with your analysis of the Denethor plunge situation. Perhaps the justification was the wide angle shot which showed the armies of Mordor as they laid siege to Minas Tirith. I suspect that was the purpose of it.

William Cloud Hicklin · 07-15-2007, 05:27 PM

According to the DVD supplementals, they used that shot because they already had it: they ran backwards the model-tracking run they had already made to open the coronation scene (crowds/armies were of course added later.

It's still silly. But by that point I SO didn't care what happened to film-Denethor anyway.

Morthoron · 07-15-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

It's still silly. But by that point I SO didn't care what happened to film-Denethor anyway.

Yes, he was rather an oaf wasn't he? Not a shred of the dignity that Denethor possessed in the books. But one of the best scenes of the movie is where he orders Pippin to sing. The juxtaposition of Denethor mauling his food, Pippin singing plaintively and Faramir's doomed ride was perhaps the only Jackson inspired piece I cared for in the whole film.

Findegil · 07-18-2007, 07:21 AM

Ohh, what a nice topic this has been - back on page one of this thread!

Didn't we have this discussion many times before? It is boring and fruitless and both sides have already learned that several times. So why again ruin a topic by puting in arguments about Peter Jacksons films?

First of all: The topic was JRR Tolkiens revisions of his own book 'The Hobbit' - not to make a movie out of it but to make it a diffrent book.

Second: Peter Jackson is out of the 'Hobbit-Film', as far as I know. (I do not care much, so don't put to much trust on my word in this matter.) So what ever we think he could have done will remain speculation for ever.

Third: Since the rights of "Return to Bag-End" are not sold, and probably will not be sold as long as the Tolkien trust can help it, we won't get that 'darker Hobbit' as a film.

Respectfully
Findegil

07-15-2007, 05:27 PM	#2
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,330	According to the DVD supplementals, they used that shot because they already had it: they ran backwards the model-tracking run they had already made to open the coronation scene (crowds/armies were of course added later. It's still silly. But by that point I SO didn't care what happened to film-Denethor anyway. __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

07-15-2007, 04:05 PM	#1
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	I cannot disagree with your analysis of the Denethor plunge situation. Perhaps the justification was the wide angle shot which showed the armies of Mordor as they laid siege to Minas Tirith. I suspect that was the purpose of it.

07-18-2007, 07:21 AM	#4
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Ohh, what a nice topic this has been - back on page one of this thread! Didn't we have this discussion many times before? It is boring and fruitless and both sides have already learned that several times. So why again ruin a topic by puting in arguments about Peter Jacksons films? First of all: The topic was JRR Tolkiens revisions of his own book 'The Hobbit' - not to make a movie out of it but to make it a diffrent book. Second: Peter Jackson is out of the 'Hobbit-Film', as far as I know. (I do not care much, so don't put to much trust on my word in this matter.) So what ever we think he could have done will remain speculation for ever. Third: Since the rights of "Return to Bag-End" are not sold, and probably will not be sold as long as the Tolkien trust can help it, we won't get that 'darker Hobbit' as a film. Respectfully Findegil