Tol-in-Gaurhoth XXXVI Game Thread

[Holbytlass]

There are seven of us left, as we all know we HAVE to lynch a wolf or all is lost. Therefore I can't wait to see if we might lynch one;
I am the seer. I dreamt of The SaucePan Man last night in hopes of knowing I had a strong ally to get in touch with, not this time, he is a wolf.
I'm sorry I have no further information for the village because Legate and Brinniel were my other dreams and they are dead.

SaucePan Wolf
Day1
15) supports Duerlin (dead); susp of Kath; questions CoD; joking susp Phantom
38) susp Legate(dead); susp of bandwagon against Duerlin(dead) and Menel(dead); votes Legate(dead)
39)wants 3-way tie broke
DAY2
48)susp of Lal, Gil, CoD for no votes; suggests that Brinniel's death is a frame-up of The Phantom
50)susp still of Durelin and Menel bandwagon voters; susp of Phantom's vote; defends Mith; susp of Kath
72) concerned of Phantom;susp of Kath and Holby but won't vote cause they're not here; susp of a Shasta(dead)/Lal alliance;still susp of CoD for no vote
73)susp of Shasta(dead)/Lal alliance,says they are working to throw suspicion his way
74)voting tally;wants to talk to Phantom to avoid another multiple lynching
76)talking to Phantom- wants to vote either Lal or Shasta(dead), not Holby
80)won't let another multiple lynching happen;says will vote Shasta(dead)
82)votes Shasta(dead)

This is just a quick summary, I expect that there will be more indepth annalysis. On the whole, SpM is ever the helpful one. He is suspicious of everyone. Except SpM barely touches Gil and even defends Mith a few times in a nonchalant sort of way that actually gets my spidey-senses tingling.

He was wrong (of course) about the a Shasta/Lal alliance, unless it's a huge orchestrated plot that a wolfLal aligns herself with an innocent then starts to manuever their suspicion against SpM-but the true innocent(Shasta) gets lynched, too much for me but could be done, but too many factors to go awry so I'm thinking Lal is innocent.

Then there's the SpM/Phantom "alliance". I'm not saying they are in cahoots together as they usually, good or bad, use each other as soundboards-the only thing is that SpM is just enough suspicious of Phantom as not to seem to be exactly working together.

SpM really, really suspects Kath, maybe a wolf to wolf thing

++The SaucePan Man

[the phantom]

Where's Sauce?

Isn't now the time that he's supposed to show up and say "No, I'm the Seer! Holby must be a WW trying to dupe us!"



Anyway, I'll be back in a bit.

[Mithalwen]

Oh I am so rubbish - sorry Holby ..... not only do I fail to find a wolf but I vote for the seer ....

Need to look back with this information but I have little hope of providing much insight on current form...

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by SPM

The phantom is the only one of those still alive so, on the face of it, her (Brin) death points to him. However, I wonder whether the phantom would be that clumsy. If anything, I suspect that it may have been an attempt to frame him.

SPM said that yesterday about Brin's death.

And look at last night's death- Lal. It would seem that the same could be said of her. After all, she voted for me, and I voted for her last minute. And with Lal dead, we have absolute proof now that I am a Werewolf and was attempting to toss another innocent onto the fire. Very interesting. That sounds like something SPM would do to me. Don't you just love him?

I don't think SPM believed Lal was the Seer, mainly because I did not believe she was, and I don't imagine Sauce's thinking would be much different than mine. But then maybe I'm wrong, in which case we need to carefully examine everything Lal said in case she was indeed pegged as the Seer.

Personally, though, I don't think the WWs felt the need to go for the Seer. All they had to do was create a Daytime situation in which at least one innocent would vote incorrectly, and viola- game over.

Assuming that Holby is telling the truth, that's really tough luck that both of her other dreams are dead. Drat.

I'm offended you didn't dream about me, Holby. Deeply wounded....

[the phantom]

FYI, SPM and the phantom in cahoots does not work, so let's not hear any of that.

If we were both WWs, during yesterday's late voting we would have winked at each other and proceeded to double lynch two of the innocents on the chopping block and thus clinch the game for the Werewolves. The game would have been ours for the taking.

Now, you might argue that we wouldn't want to win like that- a two day multi-lynch bloodbath. But I assure you, neither he nor I are chivalrous Werewolves. We would have taken the win without hesitation.

[Mithalwen]

Well iwas going to be low and ask you straight out if you were a were wolf since you never lie in WW do you sweetie .....

I don't think that Holby had any reason to lie. The werewolves hardly need to pull such stunts and the timing makes sense.

[The Saucepan Man]

How convenient that the two other villagers that Holbytlass claims to have dreamed of are both dead.

Originally Posted by Holbytwolf

Isn't now the time that he's supposed to show up and say "No, I'm the Seer! Holby must be a WW trying to dupe us!"

No, I am not the Seer. But I am innocent.

Holby's move does look rather a bold move for a Wolf, given the position that they are in. However, it makes sense. All they need to do is to kill one innocent villager toDay and the game is theirs. This looks to be designed to either achieve that, or to flush out the real Seer. Indeed, I suspect that they thought me to be the Seer. Had I been, this move would have been very low risk for them.

The real Seer should not reveal unless he/she has dreamed of another Wolf or I look to be in danger of being lynched, as we might get another Night's dream if we lynch Holby toDay and are lucky overNight.

In any event, Holby is clearly a Wolf, so my vote toDay is an easy one.

++HOLBYTLASS

Unofrtunately, given Holby's absence yesterDay, I doubt that there will be many clues in her posts as to her partners in crime. I have to go now, but will take a look back anyway when I return.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by SPM

How convenient that the two other villagers that Holbytlass claims to have dreamed of are both dead.

I've pondered that, and I'm wanting to say that it actually makes me believe Holby. Surely a WW would claim that their subjects were still living? Name one of their fellows as well as one innocent as "innocent", and the truly innocent villager is likely to side with them on that day. But if the village swings against them and they are lynched and discovered to be lying, how will the village know to treat the two "dreams" when the subjects were a mix of WW and Ordo?

What are the thoughts of others on this issue?

Originally Posted by SPM

No, I am not the Seer. But I am innocent.

Honestly, this is what I expected you to say. Being the Seer would seem like too much of a coincidence.

Originally Posted by SPM

The real Seer should not reveal unless he/she has dreamed of another Wolf or I look to be in danger of being lynched, as we might get another Night's dream if we lynch Holby toDay and are lucky overNight.

Hardy har har.

That gives you an out, doesn't it. If the "true Seer" doesn't step forward, you can claim that they are following your advice.

But look at the situation- "or I look to be in danger of being lynched". You ARE in danger, SPM! If you are truly innocent and Holby is a WW, then you are obviously the target of choice for all the WWs, meaning that only ONE ORDO has to vote for you to deliver the win to the WWs. And so obviously, if you are indeed innocent, the Seer needs to step up.

Well, I guess it's not an absolute, but certainly very very likely to be necessary.

[Holbytlass]

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Holbytwolf

Isn't now the time that he's supposed to show up and say "No, I'm the Seer! Holby must be a WW trying to dupe us!"

I didn't say that, Phantom did.

Originally Posted by The Saucepan Man

How convenient that the two other villagers that Holbytlass claims to have dreamed of are both dead.

I can't help that Legate got pulled into that horrific three-way, of which I'm sure still fills thee with glee. And I suppose Brinniel was killed at night for the same reason that I dreamt of her. I didn't know her style and therefore was unsure.

Originally Posted by Phantom

I'm offended you didn't dream about me, Holby. Deeply wounded....

I assure you I agonized over my decision for hours. Each person had a significant yet different reason for being dreamt about. If it's any consolation, I needed to find a strong ally I could trust, you and SpM were in that category. But in my lore books was written that SpM tended to pick up on me when I'm not an ordo, I was hoping for that. But at least luck turned to the village when he was found to be a wolf.

Now back to wolfhunting, there are two more out there and I've only bought the village one more day...