Does it count as survival? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

smeagollives · 08-28-2007, 10:43 AM

that is an intereseting question. i have to say i hated the end of the book. i really hated it.
but i think frodo survived. but to my mind he suffered from depression. to my mind he has not saved the shire. indeed he was about to ruin the shire when he claimed the ring.... or may be the ring claimed him. however one puts that.
i think some higher power did not want the shire to be destroid.

i do not judge this, because i am really sure in the same situation i would have done the same.

there was a line saying something like "i tried to save the shire... and it has been saved". frodo did not say "...and i saved it". it sounds like "i tried to save the shire... and it had been saved... but not by me".

i do not think he died. i think he hurt a lot, but may be he would be able to recover if he really would have wanted it... but i think he did not want it. he thought that he deserved to hurt and did not deserve a happy life and may be he was hopeless.

smeagollives · 08-28-2007, 10:54 AM

I tried to edit... but i could not. I want to say one more think. i think there is always hope. for everybody. "Where there's life, there's hope and need of vittles."... and i if there is none i do not want to know.

Folwren · 08-28-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by smeagollives

there was a line saying something like "i tried to save the shire... and it has been saved". frodo did not say "...and i saved it". it sounds like "i tried to save the shire... and it had been saved... but not by me".

Interesting thought. It seems like something I would totally disagree with, but I think it needs some consideration. Perhaps you're right. . .even if just partially so.

I'll have to think about that one.

-- Foley

Raynor · 08-28-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smeagollives

] i do not think he died.

What do you mean?

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there was a line saying something like "i tried to save the shire... and it has been saved". frodo did not say "...and i saved it". it sounds like "i tried to save the shire... and it had been saved... but not by me".

Not exactly:

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Originally Posted by The Grey Havens, RotK

I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me.

smeagollives · 08-28-2007, 01:23 PM

english is not my native language, so it is a bit complicated for me to explain what i mean.

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Originally Posted by Raynor

What do you mean?

i mean. he has not died. his personality stayed alive. let me give an exmaple: anakin skywalker. his personality died and he became darth vader... but something like this never happened to frodo. he did not turn into something like gollum.

This line "i tried to save the shire... and it HAS BEEN saved". he did not say "i tried to save the shire and i did". that struck me as odd.

i did not eman to say he SAID "i tried to save the shire... and it had been saved... but not by me", but waht he said sounded as if he wanted to say this. to me personally it sounded like this. biut may be other people think different about this.

08-28-2007, 10:43 AM	#1
smeagollives Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 41	that is an intereseting question. i have to say i hated the end of the book. i really hated it. but i think frodo survived. but to my mind he suffered from depression. to my mind he has not saved the shire. indeed he was about to ruin the shire when he claimed the ring.... or may be the ring claimed him. however one puts that. i think some higher power did not want the shire to be destroid. i do not judge this, because i am really sure in the same situation i would have done the same. there was a line saying something like "i tried to save the shire... and it has been saved". frodo did not say "...and i saved it". it sounds like "i tried to save the shire... and it had been saved... but not by me". i do not think he died. i think he hurt a lot, but may be he would be able to recover if he really would have wanted it... but i think he did not want it. he thought that he deserved to hurt and did not deserve a happy life and may be he was hopeless.

08-28-2007, 10:54 AM	#2
smeagollives Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 41	I tried to edit... but i could not. I want to say one more think. i think there is always hope. for everybody. "Where there's life, there's hope and need of vittles."... and i if there is none i do not want to know.