Tol-In-Gaurhoth XXXVIII - E.T.T.T.S.O.W.I.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Volo

Umm... We lose if we lynch Lommy and she's the villain (unless the bodyguard saves somebody, which is risky.). Right, Peeko? If the villain is lynched, the henchmen get two kills next night, and win!

I don't think so. The Villain counts as a civilian, so it's 5-2 right now. Even if Lommy ends up being the villain, it'll be 3-2 on Day 3.

Maybe you are right and she's a martyr. But I kind of doubt it. Her behaviour seems more wolvish than anything to me.

[Volo]

I Xd with the three posts there.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I don't think so. The Villain counts as a civilian, so it's 5-2 right now. Even if Lommy ends up being the villain, it'll be 3-2 on Day 3.

Maybe you are right and she's a martyr. But I kind of doubt it. Her behaviour seems more wolvish than anything to me.

No it's not!!!

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

If the Henchman accidentally kill their Villain, the Civilians are saved from a Henchman kill, who during the night will be too wrought with grief over their former dead leader. For the next night however, the Henchman seek vengence and are allowed to take two kills during the night, but the secret Agent Bodyguard has the choice to either Protect two people or use his regular ability of protect one and designate one as his prey.

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

Alright we'll have two wolves, but the special rule if the villain gets lynched(depending when in game) that gives the bodyguard a double ability will be suspended

Unless! The henchmen are demoralized next Night and won't kill. I'm a bit confused here. But if that is the case, they'll have two kills next Night and we'll lose then.

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EDIT: Xd with Lommy.

[Volo]

And now I Xd with Lommy.


Possible scenarios:

Lommy dies and is innocent:
3/5 evil people. We lose.
3/4 evil people. (Xyzzy dies and is innocent.) We lose.
3/6 evil people. (Bodyguard saves.) We probably lose, unless we act quickly and very very smartly.
Calculate the other possibilities yourself (i.e. Xyzzy is evil or something).

Lommy dies and is the villain:
2/5 evil people. (If nothing special happens with the henchman kills.) We might win.
2/4 evil people. (If henchmen get two kills.) We lose.
2/6 evil people. (If henchmen don't get to kill over the lose of their boss.) We don't lose, yet as next Night they'll get two kills: Evil situation: 2/3 or 1/3.
Calculate the other possibilites yourself (i.e. Xyzzy also dies or Bodyguard saves.)

Lommy dies and is a henchgirl:
2/5 evil people. We have good chances of winning.
Calculate Xyzzy and Bodyguard.


Did I make mistakes?



EDIT: Xd with Nogrod.


EDITEDIT: evil people means how many want to vote against the village.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Volo

Lommy dies and is a henchgirl:

Thank you, Volo, at least someone bothers to accuse with the proper term...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Thank you, Volo, at least someone bothers to accuse with the proper term...

You're welcome! So you admit being a henchgirl? That is good news for me.



EDIT: OOG: Does one say "news for" or "news to"?

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Volo

EDIT: OOG: Does one say "news for" or "news to"?

"Bawk! news for if you already knew and now you fully understand bawk! News to is if you didn't know before! bawk!"

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

If the Henchman kill their villain during the night, they lose there next kill next night. then the night after that they get a double kill. but with low numbers i am suspending the double kill and the bodyguards dual duties. but if the villain gets killed by henchman they still lose the next night. If the Villain is lynched the Henchman still can kill, but the bodyguard gets a double protection bonus for that.

makes sense?

Wonderful! This means that my speculations were wrong and it does indeed makes a lot of sense killing the villain.

[Nogrod]

Hey Peeko, 5-2 isn't it now before we lynch the henchgirl?

EDIT: Thanks! I looked at the admin thread. So like normal cobbler s/he is... So 5-2 now, 5-1 in 15 minutes.

[Nogrod]

Please Volo.

In every game I have played with a cobbler in it the cobbler has been counted as a villager in the tallies. And the set up would have been very unfair indeed if it would have had 3 baddies and 6 innocents to begin with. So I trust we have a 5-2 situation now. Other than that would be scandalous.

And that doesn't matter as Lommy is a henchgirl and we will be on 5-1 in under a half an hour. Or in a scandalous case on 4-2 with both our gifteds still alive and well.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Please Volo.

In every game I have played with a cobbler in it the cobbler has been counted as a villager in the tallies. And the set up would have been very unfair indeed if it would have had 3 baddies and 6 innocents to begin with. So I trust we have a 5-2 situation now. Other than that would be scandalous.

Yes yes, I was talking about how many votes the evil people get, not the tally numbers. But as I said already, all my speculations were a waste of time.

In the current case I'm in for lynching Lommy.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Volo

In the current case I'm in for lynching Lommy.

Would you be eager to retract your vote then and take sides? Or do we have to suspect that a villain would love to keep his retraction-weapon for possible later use but still try to say that he's with us?

This is called pressured disarmament...

[Thinlómien]

I can see a henchman/villain trying to get rid of one more innocent retraction... tsk... tsk...

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Would you be eager to retract your vote then and take sides? Or do we have to suspect that a villain would love to keep his retraction-weapon for possible later use but still try to say that he's with us?

Nah. A double-lynch would be a sure way for the baddies to show themselves. Wouldn't it?