WW XXXIX - Do Werebalrogs have wings? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nerwen · 11-17-2007, 10:39 AM

Hey, Legate, you realize that your cautious, unwilling-to-commit-yourself analysis of Brinniel is, according to you, a symptom of balroggery? In fact you've been playing pretty darn carefully most of the time. I find it... interesting that you claim to see your own playing style as evidence of guilt in somebody else.

I'm also noting that though I've taken back part of my argument, you were the one who made the main case against Rikae– so I still think it's odd that you went after me for my actions that Day. Now you say the Rikae angle isn't important, but in your original accusation it most certainly was.

However, I've been reading through the posts at the end of yesterDay, and I'm inclining towards thinking Brinniel's more suspicious.

What's bugging me, though, is that the two people who have already voted Brinniel are both ones I'm doubtful about, especially Sally with her modus operandi of "pop up from nowhere, make bizarre comment, disappear again". Still, she seems to have got better.

Hmmn. I don't know what to think, yet. I have to make up my mind very soon.

Nerwen · 11-17-2007, 10:53 AM

I have to go now, so

++Brinniel.

I've been reading through her anti-me posts from earlier. Some very twisted logic there.

I'm still dubious about Legate, though.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-17-2007, 11:30 AM

Nerwen! You seem to be misusing the fact that I tried to look at you in somewhat calmer way...

Anyway, seems I don't have time to make analyses on anyone else toDay, in fact I'm rather exhausted... and I'm not even going to reply to Nerwen, because all she says I have already answered before so there's no need to repeat myself hundred times over... I'm going to appear before the DL and then vote, and most probably for Nerwen. There is still time for people to post whatever they think might be helpful...

One thing I can say as very probable is that if Nerwen is not a balrog, Brinniel is. And if we lynch Brinniel and she is not a balrog, I say we lynch Nerwen. Simple as that.

Nerwen · 11-17-2007, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

One thing I can say as very probable is that if Nerwen is not a balrog, Brinniel is. And if we lynch Brinniel and she is not a balrog, I say we lynch Nerwen. Simple as that.

Agreed. And if we both get lynched, and neither of us are balrogs... I think you all know who to lynch next, right?

Now I really have to go. Good night, all.

Brinniel · 11-17-2007, 12:41 PM

A half an hour left til deadline....where is everyone? Five votes have been made, so five more should be coming in.

I was going to go after Nerwen or even Kath, but it seems now I will have to vote for either Legate or Sally if there's any chance of saving myself.

I still don't find Legate all that suspicious. Sally I'm not so sure.

Kath · 11-17-2007, 12:42 PM

I'm sorry, I know I've barely been here toDay but I've been out since midday and only just got back and I want to go watch what's left of Come Dancing so I'm gonna vote quickly and go. I will try to be much more active tomorrow as I shouldn't be as busy!

The Day has seemed mostly to be an argument between Nerwen and Legate, but I don't actually think either is suspicious for it. It reminds me of my argument with Noggie, so I can hardly accuse them on that basis.

The suspects of the Day seem to be Nerwen and Brinn. Well, I don't find Nerwen suspicious and I'm not sure about Brinn. I've seen analyses of her and I can see the arguments against her, and I've also not managed to get a feel on her yet and that, well, lack of anything does suggest some suspicion to me. But I'm not convinced.

Mith has suddenly become very calm but then she hasn't really been under suspicion toDay. Still she answered Nerwen very calmly, so I'm thinking she's innocent at the moment.

Argh, where have I got to.

Probably innocent:
Mithalwen
Legate of Amon Lanc
Nogrod
Nerwen

Really can't get a grip on:
Brinniel
Gil-Galad
Naria
satansaloser2005
Shastanis Althreduin

Huh, so basically I think everyon who speaks is innocent and everyone that doesn't is suspicious. Wrong way round for me!

But, of those I'm left with. Oh I really don't know toDay. Actually, I think I might put Shasta into the innocent list, as reading back over her posts quickly they actually look pretty good. And Naria, I don't think a balrog would have such confusion over how many Night's we've had so I guess she's eliminated. Which leaves Brinn, Gil and Sally.

I don't want to vote Gil. He's really getting involved this game and that's hardly something to be discouraged. It does generally mean he has a role of some kind but I haven't seen enough yet to know if it's a good or bad one.

Brinn or Sally, Brinn or Sally. I've gone over their posts. Brinn's mostly analytical, Sally's a little lacking in substance. So:

++SALLY

Because of the comments around The Might mostly I think. We all know that everything we assume about who he dreamt of is just that, an assumption, so this seems an odd comment:

Quote:

I just felt the need to throw that out there.

Right, I'm off.

Brinniel · 11-17-2007, 12:52 PM

Alright then.

++Sally

To have any shot of saving myself. She does have a bit of an odd behaviour, though I'm not sure I would actually call it suspicious. Yet, I think Legate is more likely to be innocent anyway.

satansaloser2005 · 11-17-2007, 12:55 PM

To be truthful, I'm a little concerned about getting voted. But alas, if you all wish to kill me, that will be your decision.

To clarify, I don't find Nogrod suspicious really. I just don't like to assume things too quickly, thus I question Might's clues to us. They could be completely random, but indeed the odds are in favor of Nogrod's innocence. Either way, I don't think he's harboring balrog tendencies.

satansaloser2005 · 11-17-2007, 12:57 PM

Brinn seems fairly happy to sacrifice someone else to save herself by the way. Although I agree with her, Legate is leaning toward innocence in my book too.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 11-17-2007, 01:02 PM

*steps in* So I guess no one goes for Nerwen after all, eh?

Okay. So it's probably Sally or Brinn. It's interesting - I just swiftly looked through Sally's posts and, well, she's not much vocal. The current idea is that I'd rather lose a quieter player than a vocal one. It now find the idea of vocal balrog Brinn around better than that of quiet Sally. But Sally does not seem suspicious - well, she does not seem like anything, because she posts almost nothing. And Nerwen-Sally balrogs could be possible maybe also? (no, I have not dropped that case yet

) Anyway, however it ends, if Brinn is lynched and she's innocent, I say we look at Nerwen tomorrow.

Nogrod · 11-18-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brinniel

Alright then.

++Sally

To have any shot of saving myself. She does have a bit of an odd behaviour, though I'm not sure I would actually call it suspicious. Yet, I think Legate is more likely to be innocent anyway.

Okay. Don't take everything Legate says uncritically...

I'm sadly not having time to do more right now but I have read the posts that had come after I flew away.

Only three minutes left with the computer. I try to come back later toDay.

I still wouldn't forget Kath either...

Kath · 11-18-2007, 05:19 PM

Oh yes way to go Gil! I must admit I hadn't been convinced that Brinn was guilty but thank goodness our fabulous Hunter did. Only one balrog left! One out of seven is not bad odds at all.

I'm not going to do a lot tonight (RL) 'cause I'm not feeling great and so not up for analyses or even much thinking in general, but I'll be around, and I'll get some proper thinking done tomorrow.

What I will say is that I still think it fair to consider Legate and Noggie as known innocents, and that does narrow the field of potential balrogs down for me, leaving me with:

Mith
Naria
Nerwen
Shasta

Mithalwen · 11-17-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kath

I don't want to vote Gil. He's really getting involved this game and that's hardly something to be discouraged. It does generally mean he has a role of some kind but I haven't seen enough yet to know if it's a good or bad one.

Yep a 2 posts per day average must be a record ....

Mithalwen · 11-17-2007, 12:58 PM

Oh mandos .... I get stuck with the casting vote .... and I can never make decisions ..... 2 suspects and I trust some of the voters in both camps more than others ...

Brinniel · 11-17-2007, 01:00 PM

Sally, did you change your post? I swear it read something differently a second ago...

Mithalwen · 11-17-2007, 12:46 PM

A post count ...correct me if I am wrong

Brinniel 3 (Sally, Gol, Nerwen)
Sally 1 (Nogrod)
Legate 1 (Shasta)

Not voted

Legate, Me, Kath, Naria, Brinniel.

Every has at least turned up, still open .... hmmm

Mithalwen · 11-17-2007, 12:50 PM

Ok.... hmmI was thinking about voting Sally sinceI didn't like her twisting my words but I can never not suspect Kath.. and that makes Sally less suspicious gah.... and I while I can't say I am certain about Brinniel..I am suspicious enough to be cautious about letting her off the hook... 20 minutes....

11-17-2007, 10:39 AM	#1
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Hey, Legate, you realize that your cautious, unwilling-to-commit-yourself analysis of Brinniel is, according to you, a symptom of balroggery? In fact you've been playing pretty darn carefully most of the time. I find it... interesting that you claim to see your own playing style as evidence of guilt in somebody else. I'm also noting that though I've taken back part of my argument, you were the one who made the main case against Rikae– so I still think it's odd that you went after me for my actions that Day. Now you say the Rikae angle isn't important, but in your original accusation it most certainly was. However, I've been reading through the posts at the end of yesterDay, and I'm inclining towards thinking Brinniel's more suspicious. What's bugging me, though, is that the two people who have already voted Brinniel are both ones I'm doubtful about, especially Sally with her modus operandi of "pop up from nowhere, make bizarre comment, disappear again". Still, she seems to have got better. Hmmn. I don't know what to think, yet. I have to make up my mind very soon. Last edited by Nerwen; 11-17-2007 at 10:49 AM. Reason: Changing a comment

11-17-2007, 11:30 AM	#3
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Nerwen! You seem to be misusing the fact that I tried to look at you in somewhat calmer way... Anyway, seems I don't have time to make analyses on anyone else toDay, in fact I'm rather exhausted... and I'm not even going to reply to Nerwen, because all she says I have already answered before so there's no need to repeat myself hundred times over... I'm going to appear before the DL and then vote, and most probably for Nerwen. There is still time for people to post whatever they think might be helpful... One thing I can say as very probable is that if Nerwen is not a balrog, Brinniel is. And if we lynch Brinniel and she is not a balrog, I say we lynch Nerwen. Simple as that. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-17-2007, 12:41 PM	#5
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	A half an hour left til deadline....where is everyone? Five votes have been made, so five more should be coming in. I was going to go after Nerwen or even Kath, but it seems now I will have to vote for either Legate or Sally if there's any chance of saving myself. I still don't find Legate all that suspicious. Sally I'm not so sure. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

11-17-2007, 12:52 PM	#7
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Alright then. ++Sally To have any shot of saving myself. She does have a bit of an odd behaviour, though I'm not sure I would actually call it suspicious. Yet, I think Legate is more likely to be innocent anyway. __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

11-17-2007, 12:55 PM	#8
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	To be truthful, I'm a little concerned about getting voted. But alas, if you all wish to kill me, that will be your decision. To clarify, I don't find Nogrod suspicious really. I just don't like to assume things too quickly, thus I question Might's clues to us. They could be completely random, but indeed the odds are in favor of Nogrod's innocence. Either way, I don't think he's harboring balrog tendencies. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

11-17-2007, 10:53 AM	#2
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	I have to go now, so ++Brinniel. I've been reading through her anti-me posts from earlier. Some very twisted logic there. I'm still dubious about Legate, though.

11-17-2007, 12:57 PM	#9
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Brinn seems fairly happy to sacrifice someone else to save herself by the way. Although I agree with her, Legate is leaning toward innocence in my book too. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

11-17-2007, 01:02 PM	#10
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	steps in So I guess no one goes for Nerwen after all, eh? Okay. So it's probably Sally or Brinn. It's interesting - I just swiftly looked through Sally's posts and, well, she's not much vocal. The current idea is that I'd rather lose a quieter player than a vocal one. It now find the idea of vocal balrog Brinn around better than that of quiet Sally. But Sally does not seem suspicious - well, she does not seem like anything, because she posts almost nothing. And Nerwen-Sally balrogs could be possible maybe also? (no, I have not dropped that case yet ) Anyway, however it ends, if Brinn is lynched and she's innocent, I say we look at Nerwen tomorrow. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

11-18-2007, 05:19 PM	#12
Kath Everlasting Whiteness Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Perusing the laminated book of dreams Posts: 4,533	Oh yes way to go Gil! I must admit I hadn't been convinced that Brinn was guilty but thank goodness our fabulous Hunter did. Only one balrog left! One out of seven is not bad odds at all. I'm not going to do a lot tonight (RL) 'cause I'm not feeling great and so not up for analyses or even much thinking in general, but I'll be around, and I'll get some proper thinking done tomorrow. What I will say is that I still think it fair to consider Legate and Noggie as known innocents, and that does narrow the field of potential balrogs down for me, leaving me with: Mith Naria Nerwen Shasta

11-17-2007, 12:58 PM	#14
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Oh mandos .... I get stuck with the casting vote .... and I can never make decisions ..... 2 suspects and I trust some of the voters in both camps more than others ... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

11-17-2007, 01:00 PM	#15
Brinniel Reflection of Darkness Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Polishing the stars. Well, somebody has to do it; they're looking a little bit dull. Posts: 2,983	Sally, did you change your post? I swear it read something differently a second ago... __________________ Nolite te bastardes carborundorum

11-17-2007, 12:46 PM	#16
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Since Nog is not here A post count ...correct me if I am wrong Brinniel 3 (Sally, Gol, Nerwen) Sally 1 (Nogrod) Legate 1 (Shasta) Not voted Legate, Me, Kath, Naria, Brinniel. Every has at least turned up, still open .... hmmm __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace Last edited by Mithalwen; 11-17-2007 at 12:56 PM. Reason: Got voter and votee wrong way round eek!

11-17-2007, 12:50 PM	#17
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	Ok.... hmmI was thinking about voting Sally sinceI didn't like her twisting my words but I can never not suspect Kath.. and that makes Sally less suspicious gah.... and I while I can't say I am certain about Brinniel..I am suspicious enough to be cautious about letting her off the hook... 20 minutes.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace