Which Female Valar is your favorite?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So see it, elempi? And I don't want to imagine what feminists could make out of it. Why are you not mentioning all the Valier when you are mentioning all the Valar, even Tulkas who was not there originally, or Melkor, who did no longer count among them? Tsk-tsk. And now even Mac wants Vairë and I want Vána. I'm going to neg-rep you, sir!!! You call yourself a Tolkien fan?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

So see it, elempi? And I don't want to imagine what feminists could make out of it.

Here's one feminist... but unlike some gentlemen here, I'm not going to make anything special out of it , just politely echo the posed question of why are a few of the Valier missing.

I think that whatever LMP means by "primacy" here

Originally Posted by LMP

Since there are so many Valar, it is necessary to separate them out in some way, so I have chosen to do so by gender and primacy

might have something to do with some people being dropped out, yet I would still like to ask why, and why just Vairë and Vána? Are you going to make a separate poll: which lesser Valie do you prefer, Vairë or Vána? Or what exactly had you in mind and what is this stuff about primacy?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Here's one feminist... but unlike some gentlemen here, I'm not going to make anything special out of it , just politely echo the posed question of why are a few of the Valier missing.

*ahem* okay But still...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I think that whatever LMP means by "primacy" here might have something to do with some people being dropped out, yet I would still like to ask why, and why just Vairë and Vána? Are you going to make a separate poll: which lesser Valie do you prefer, Vairë or Vána? Or what exactly had you in mind and what is this stuff about primacy?

Even if the reason was this "primacy", I don't see why Vána and Vairë should be considered "lesser" than, let's say, Nessa or Estë. We are told that Yavanna, Nienna and Varda were three of the Aratar, so then I would eventually understand if elempi dropped the remaining four. But this just does not make sense. And even in that case (to continue in the "feministic rant" ), I would expect him to also drop those who are not among Aratar even between the male Valar.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Even if the reason was this "primacy", I don't see why Vána and Vairë should be considered "lesser" than, let's say, Nessa or Estë. We are told that Yavanna, Nienna and Varda were three of the Aratar, so then I would eventually understand if elempi dropped the remaining four. But this just does not make sense. And even in that case (to continue in the "feministic rant" ), I would expect him to also drop those who are not among Aratar even between the male Valar.

But if LMP was to create a separate thread for Vána and Vairë we can hardly accuse him of chauvinism, could we? Since thus he would be making more female-threads than male-threads... Useless to judge before we've heard what he has to say on the matter...

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

But if LMP was to create a separate thread for Vána and Vairë we can hardly accuse him of chauvinism, could we? Since thus he would be making more female-threads than male-threads... Useless to judge before we've heard what he has to say on the matter...

Well, in that case he could be accused of male discrimination...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Well, in that case he could be accused of male discrimination...

Oh no, LMP, did you ever guess what kind of trouble you got into when you dropped Vána and Vairë? Whatever you planned to do, you're discriminating people...

[littlemanpoet]

Please accept my humble apologies. My decision was based on including those whom I thought were the major Valar, and I was rushing. If there is any way to fix this, I will. Perhaps we should X this thread and start over?