Admin. thread for WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

satansaloser2005 · 11-28-2007, 04:01 AM

I agree. If we only have three balrogs I think it is a ripoff for them if we add gifteds into the mix. However, if we have four balrogs we could certainly benefit from the gifteds without being unfair to the balroggies.

I prefer option #1 myself, just because it offers more opportunities for intrigue (aka fun new roles to check out)

Hunter however, is no big deal to me. Whatever you other players prefer is good enough for me, as I've never played a game with a hunter anyway.

Thinlómien · 11-28-2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

I agree. If we only have three balrogs I think it is a ripoff for them if we add gifteds into the mix. However, if we have four balrogs we could certainly benefit from the gifteds without being unfair to the balroggies.

I prefer option #1 myself, just because it offers more opportunities for intrigue (aka fun new roles to check out)

Hunter however, is no big deal to me. Whatever you other players prefer is good enough for me, as I've never played a game with a hunter anyway.

Balrogs in the Shire?

Let's hope not - I believe these are just ordinary werewolves...

(And there was a hunter in my game so you've definitely played with one.

)

And -
Rikae Took? Great! At least one respectable Hobbit around, then... (among you others, that is - I'm of course respectable)

satansaloser2005 · 11-28-2007, 04:38 AM

Yeah sorry it's 430am here so I'm not totally with it. I meant I've never been one in the few games I've even played with one, so I can live without it. *head droops* What mother? Candy mountain, Charlie? Balrogs, Charlie? Oh good, just regular werewolves. *mumbles sleepily*

satansaloser2005 · 11-28-2007, 04:42 AM

Oh and yay now I can make my "you look hairy" quips and they'll actually be sensical

Nogrod · 11-28-2007, 06:36 AM

This far it looks like we have 6 "votes" for at least a seer to be included and 3-4 for no gifteds at all (depending on how one interprets a few comments back there).

If we would have had 15 players it would have been easy: three wolves and a seer. A nice classic indeed.

But we have 18 players now - and if Kuru joins we have 19. And that makes a difference for playing 3 against 16 will be really hard and against all odds unlike playing 3 against 12.

4/15 is almost the same ratio as 3/12 and with classical game there would the seer and no other gifteds. If Kuru doesn't come it would be 4/14 and thus the villagers might gain a ranger to balance the ratio.

So what I think now basing on the discussion and after rethinking this myself I'd suggest the following choices, the first one being my slight favourite at this point:

With four wolves we should have a seer or seer and a ranger. That I think sounds like pretty classical ratio (around 1/3 have roles, wolves vs. villagers about 1/4) and quite balanced with these numbers. I'm quite happy to leave the hunter out as so many have voiced their opinion against the hunter (and hunter is a bit less classic role than seer and ranger anyway).

If there are any gifteds in a game with only three wolves the wolves will be the underdogs.

So with only three wolves I'd say no gifteds. But even then I still think the wolves will have hard times managing through the game - just look at the numbers.

8½ hours to decide so I'm waiting for your comments...

Volo · 11-28-2007, 06:47 AM

I vote for 4 wolves, a seer and a ranger. And for a Night to start with.

Aganzir · 11-28-2007, 06:48 AM

++ 4 wolves & seer

I think that'll do.

Thinlómien · 11-28-2007, 06:59 AM

++four wolves and no opinion on whether ther should be a ranger to help the seer

11-28-2007, 04:38 AM	#3
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Yeah sorry it's 430am here so I'm not totally with it. I meant I've never been one in the few games I've even played with one, so I can live without it. head droops What mother? Candy mountain, Charlie? Balrogs, Charlie? Oh good, just regular werewolves. mumbles sleepily __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

11-28-2007, 04:42 AM	#4
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	Oh and yay now I can make my "you look hairy" quips and they'll actually be sensical __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

11-28-2007, 06:36 AM	#5
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	This far it looks like we have 6 "votes" for at least a seer to be included and 3-4 for no gifteds at all (depending on how one interprets a few comments back there). If we would have had 15 players it would have been easy: three wolves and a seer. A nice classic indeed. But we have 18 players now - and if Kuru joins we have 19. And that makes a difference for playing 3 against 16 will be really hard and against all odds unlike playing 3 against 12. 4/15 is almost the same ratio as 3/12 and with classical game there would the seer and no other gifteds. If Kuru doesn't come it would be 4/14 and thus the villagers might gain a ranger to balance the ratio. So what I think now basing on the discussion and after rethinking this myself I'd suggest the following choices, the first one being my slight favourite at this point: With four wolves we should have a seer or seer and a ranger. That I think sounds like pretty classical ratio (around 1/3 have roles, wolves vs. villagers about 1/4) and quite balanced with these numbers. I'm quite happy to leave the hunter out as so many have voiced their opinion against the hunter (and hunter is a bit less classic role than seer and ranger anyway). If there are any gifteds in a game with only three wolves the wolves will be the underdogs. So with only three wolves I'd say no gifteds. But even then I still think the wolves will have hard times managing through the game - just look at the numbers. 8½ hours to decide so I'm waiting for your comments... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

11-28-2007, 06:47 AM	#6
Volo Silver in My Silent Heart Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the great beauty Posts: 1,611	I vote for 4 wolves, a seer and a ranger. And for a Night to start with. __________________ Fenris Wolf The EVEN NEWER Barrow-Downs Photo Page

11-28-2007, 06:48 AM	#7
Aganzir Woman of Secret Shadow Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: in hollow halls beneath the fells Posts: 4,511	++ 4 wolves & seer I think that'll do. __________________ He bit me, and I was not gentle.

11-28-2007, 04:01 AM	#1
satansaloser2005 The Sweetest Spoiler Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: from beneath you it giggles incessantly Posts: 5,789	I agree. If we only have three balrogs I think it is a ripoff for them if we add gifteds into the mix. However, if we have four balrogs we could certainly benefit from the gifteds without being unfair to the balroggies. I prefer option #1 myself, just because it offers more opportunities for intrigue (aka fun new roles to check out) Hunter however, is no big deal to me. Whatever you other players prefer is good enough for me, as I've never played a game with a hunter anyway. __________________ "My heart always cowers behind the defense of my wit." Friendship is two pals munching on a well-cooked face together. Fenris bookworm.

11-28-2007, 06:59 AM	#8
Thinlómien Shady She-Penguin Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: In a far land beyond the Sea Posts: 8,093	++four wolves and no opinion on whether ther should be a ranger to help the seer __________________ Like the stars chase the sun, over the glowing hill I will conquer Blood is running deep, some things never sleep Double Fenris