WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Fea, hope you will come back with some little more substance, please (same could be said about some others).

Good morning.

^not substance^

I have classes from 9:10 until 12:30, so you won't see me during my morning.

^not substance^

But it's Friday, which means that you will see me after I grab lunch! How yay is that?

^still not^

Okay, time to admit: this post isn't going to have substance.

Nor will any subsequent posts today, probably.

Though I might redeem myself (insomuch as I can) as follows:

The reason my Day One posts won't have substance is because I (and I always have) subscribe to the belief that you can't learn anything from Day One until AFTER Day One.

You won't find me seriously probing posts until Day Two. After the wolves make a legitimate kill. Once there's something to go on.

There is no way to find objective evidence for somebody else's guilt in what is basically a suicide. Wolves have nothing to do with the mod's death, therefore until Day Two, they have nothing to hide. Which means that unless they're really stupid, they're not going to give us anything to go on. First day comments can often lead to accurate assumptions, but not until later. As in, stuff we say on Day One usually makes a lot more sense in retrospect.

So yeah. Today I have classes until lunch time. Since they'll be boring, I'll spend them drawing and trying to come with a decision of who is the best choice to lynch without evidence.

My choice, so you can be prepared, will probably be of a villager who has historically concerned me. Whether or not the person is guilty makes no real difference to me. I'll be voting based on my confidence in my own ability to tell now or later on whether or not they're guilty.

Shower. Breakfast. Classes. See you before Day ends.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Fea: Good! That was exactly what I wanted to hear from you. Thank you. You see, I know there is no concrete evidence on Day 1, but at least you now let us get an image of how you think. A person who appears and says "Hello" does not say anything about herself, and a person who says "I had bread for breakfast, then a cup of tea, then I used a bus to get to work, then I was there two hours, then I returned but not by bus but my friend's car whom I met and we were talking about Bill Hailey all the way" does say many things about herself, but not things that are valid for WW.

Volo: I don't exactly know what you would imagine under me posting "my thoughts a little bit clearer". I said everything I wanted and these were my opinions. I don't know what you mean by "backing up other players", but I would consider saying "I agree with this one. I agree with that one." a serious problem - but that's obviously not what I was doing. I said what I wanted and see no problem with it. If you do, please explain more concretely what would you like to see from me.

EDIT: x-ed since Little Green's post.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Volo: I don't exactly know what you would imagine under me posting "my thoughts a little bit clearer". I said everything I wanted and these were my opinions. I don't know what you mean by "backing up other players", but I would consider saying "I agree with this one. I agree with that one." a serious problem - but that's obviously not what I was doing. I said what I wanted and see no problem with it. If you do, please explain more concretely what would you like to see from me.

I started my thoughts about you a bit too harshly - saying that I suspect you more than others was a bit unfair. It just bothered me that you had no clear thoghts on anybody, everybody you mentioned going both ways (flip-flopping?). But like Fea said - and I agree with her about this - there are no hard facts to base your thoughts on. I forgot that provoking you and your guts doesn't work...

Then again, in your last post you say it again - "Good! That was exactly what I wanted to hear from you. Thank you.", well what do you think of it if it's good enough to think about?


EDIT: Xd with Legate.

[Kath]

Here I am again, as I promised. The earlier post seemed to be giving people trouble. I didn't have time to post anything substantial but I wanted to make sure I got notifications from the thread so I could keep up a bit easier so I just posted those few words.

Couple of things have grabbed my attention so far. Nerwen and Rikae's little argument seems to be a bit central. Nerwen, I can't see that there's anything wrong with Rikae offering her opinion on Mac. Ok, so it's based on outside knowledge but then technically any impressions we carry over from past games are outside knowledge as well. For example, the one person I can generally guess the role of is Mith, simply because I know her style quite well, and others are aware of that and sometimes (when they're not about to lynch me ) take that into account. I for one don't think you should be shy about offering any thoughts that might help us.

Still, I think that argument has pretty much been settled now which is good. Though it has left me with some lingering suspicion of Nerwen, who seems a little jumpy.

I'm feeling pretty ok with Rikae though, and with Lommy, who seems to be the loudmouth of the village so far, except for one comment:

Everybody knows newbies agree with and are affected by charismatic and intelligent more experienced players.

I'm not sure this can really be used as an excuse for suspicious behaviour from a newbie. Just look at the last game with Nerwen especially having her own thoughts and not really being affected by the opinions of older players (as far as I could see anyway). I'm not saying A Little Green - hmm, just Green maybe as a shortening? - is suspicious, I can't because I haven't looked at her, but maybe she is quite aware that she can get away with hiding behind her newbie status. That I think though is a thought for Days to come, I don't want to go lynching newbies on the first Day.

Just got to say as well, little suspicious that morm's only posted the once. Phew, and there's the old rivalry dealt with. To be clear those who don't get this, I am kidding.

Are we still waiting on people to post? Ooh yes we are, Farael. I thought it seemed a little quiet!

Right, I'm off again for a little while. Should be back before too long.

EDIT: Cross posted with Mac.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kath

Nerwen, I can't see that there's anything wrong with Rikae offering her opinion on Mac.

You're right, Kath, and you'll notice I've taken it back already. I was starting to get suspicious of Rikae anyway at that point because of her oddly contradictory arguments, and the way she seemed to be twisting my words, but I've changed my mind about her (see #52).

Besides, she got lynched the first Day last game!

[Kuruharan]

Besides, she got lynched the first Day last game!

What's that got to do with anything?

If you think she's a wolf you should vote for her regardless of other considerations.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

What's that got to do with anything?

If you think she's a wolf you should vote for her regardless of other considerations.

Of course. That was a joke!

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

What's that got to do with anything?

If you think she's a wolf you should vote for her regardless of other considerations.

Agreed! Far too often people look at previous games. Not always wise to do.

I see the statement was stated to be a joke later...odd

[The Might]

lol, I again seem to have managed to get all against me thinking I'm the wolf...and this is the second time in the row.
Actually I said that because I want to avoid what I needed to do last time, vote for someone without any proof whatsoever.
Just as Feanor already said her choice will be a member she is concerned with I also wanted to explain who I'll take on the first day.

[Kuruharan]

Kuru knows more about WWing than Sandyman does of boating.
Rikae

Oh, thank y…wait…what?

At the moment I’m inclined to be suspicious of people who are talking about making decisions based upon arbitrary reasons rather than on what is actually happening in the game.

This is causing me to focus on The Might due to his desire to lynch people based on whether they are loud or quiet and…

Unfortunately…that’s all that I’ve got to think about right now…

More unfortunately, I’m suspicious of my suspicion because it seems too easy.

[Thinlómien]

Nerwen, since you seem to be flip-flopping on that matter, do you suspect Rikae or not?

Nerwen's or Brinn's latter posts have given me no reason to lessen my suspicion of them. They and Greenie (I like that one for a nickname) are my main suspects ie the only people who seem even somewhat suspicious.

Aganzir (seems to be reasonable and calm and arguments in an innocent way, though I can't really elaborate on that in a comprehensible manner) , Volo (makes generally the most sense) and Mac (his tone seems far more relaxed than when he's a wolf, besides his post made me laugh ) seem innocent to me and Legate and Valier too (both are just gut-feelings and based on their normal-seeming behaviour), but to a lesser extent. Of the rest I really can't conclude much.

The Might then... now his latest post was definitely a bit odd and even slightly suspicious, but suspicious in an innocent way, if you know what I mean...

EDIT: xed with Kuru twice and Nerwen once

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Nerwen, since you seem to be flip-flopping on that matter, do you suspect Rikae or not?

Look, I'm really not sure. I've said why.

Now I want to say this: the conversation of the last few hours is making me very uneasy. I feel that we're all being directed towards seeing certain types of behaviour as suspicious, when they're not really.

I'm not sure where this is coming from, but the intent is pretty clear: the wolves are going to be able to lynch an innocent without leaving a trace. "But X said Y, and we established that Y is what a wolf would say! It was a tragic mistake!"

I urge everyone to re-read all the posts as objectively as they can. Ignore what other people (me included) tell you is suspicious– make up your own mind, because someone is trying to make it up for you.