WW XXXX - The scouring of the Shire, vol.2

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Kuru

I think the newbie/veteran discussion is in its own way less helpful than the quiet/loud discussion. At least the quiet/loud discussion is focusing on the actions (or lack thereof) of the players and not how long they’ve been around. I don’t think how long a player has been around has anything to do with what one should do at all. I meant it when I said that if somebody thinks another player is acting like a wolf then you should vote for them regardless of other considerations.

I did not spot any newbie/veteran discussion here this far. In fact, the first one who is speculating what effect it has if someone is a newbie (with the response: no effect) is you. If you are thinking about what I was saying about your response to Nerwen (and what Fea was asking then), it was only an illustration I used and I did not speculate about it. So let's not start on that topic.

Originally Posted by Mac

Looks double-lynch-dangerous. But since nobody wants one and the wolves probably won't dare to initiate one, it could only happen within the last minute voting craze. I would herewith like to disencourage said craze.

All right. I'm probably voting Nerwen, mainly for the reason stated above (reaction to Kuru, defensiveness, her retaliatory vote). Just at the moment it seems that it would be a double, so I only am checking in if there is at least one more person around now who would vote the same.

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

So let's not start on that topic.

Agreed.

In the Thinlómien vs. Nerwen choice that seems to be the best chance we have to limit the damage and keep us from having a double lynching...I'm inclined to vote against Thinlómien...more because she gives the impression of trying to be too helpful...at least that is the way it looks for me.

But I won't do anything that might lead to a double lynching.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Kuruharan

I'm inclined to vote against Thinlómien...more because she gives the impression of trying to be too helpful...at least that is the way it looks for me.

Might you elaborate on that? What helpful or pseudo-helpful have I done that makes you suspect me?

[Kuruharan]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Might you elaborate on that? What helpful or pseudo-helpful have I done that makes you suspect me?

To me its a warning sign when people say a lot that is not terribly coherent and/or self-contradicting.

It can be creating a smoke screen by saying a lot and trying to look helpful.

[A Little Green]

This is getting pretty horrible.

I'll probably be voting for Nerwen as well. Like I said before, she is the least non-suspicious of the ones in vote and I dislike the idea of bringing new candidates in. Besides, now that I think on it, I must say that the phrase

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I feel that we're all being directed towards seeing certain types of behaviour as suspicious, when they're not really.

looks a bit like an attempt of distraction indeed.

Something about Lommy is still making me uneasy, though.. Should Nerwen be lynched and innocent, though, it would certainly make me put an additional questionmark on Lommy's innocence.

Well, better get on with it, then.

++ Nerwen

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Okay, from the above, it looks like not in the slightest problematic fifty or seventy votes for Nerwen, so I am not afraid any longer to vote for her. Even if all of those who said that were wolves and change their votes, well, at least we will know them all toMorrow. To avoid further confusion,

++Nerwen

[Volo]

++Valier

explanation in next post.

[Volo]

Ok, sorry for that. I haven't had time to read the third page at all as I just came late from a film, but I noticed that if I want to have any chance of lynching the person I suspect, I'd have to do it very quickly.

Valier's post #70 is a bit too desperate.

I'm sorry that you had too little time...

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Volo

Ok, sorry for that. I haven't had time to read the third page at all as I just came late from a film, but I noticed that if I want to have any chance of lynching the person I suspect, I'd have to do it very quickly.

Valier's post #70 is a bit too desperate.

I'm sorry that you had too little time...

Desparate is a good word to describe her Volo. Thank you.

It seems tied right now between Nerwen and I, then the Might and Valier.

[Aganzir]

++ Nerwen

Nerwen-4, morm-3, Might-2, Valier-2, Lommy-1

[Macalaure]

Kath -> Might
Nerwen -> Lommy
Valier -> morm
Might -> Might (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1)
Rikae -> Nerwen (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1, Nerwen 1)
Sally -> morm (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1)
morm -> Valier (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1)
Fea -> morm (morm 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1)
Brin -> Nerwen (morm 3, TM 2, Nerwen 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1)
Legate -> Nerwen (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1)
Volo -> Valier (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1)

Half an hour til deadline. Let's make it

Mac -> Nerwen (Nerwen 4, morm 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1)

And just so that it's official:

++Nerwen

(edit: crossed with Aganzir's vote)

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Votes this far:

Kath -> Might
Nerwen -> Lommy
Valier -> morm
Might -> Might (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1)
Rikae -> Nerwen (TM 2, Lommy 1, morm 1, Nerwen 1)
Sally -> morm (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1)
morm -> Valier (TM 2, morm 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1)
Fea -> morm (morm 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Nerwen 1, Valier 1)
Brin -> Nerwen (morm 3, TM 2, Nerwen 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1)
Legate -> Nerwen (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Lommy 1, Valier 1)
Volo -> Valier (morm 3, Nerwen 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1)
Wife -> Nerwen (Nerwen 4, morm 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1)
Mac -> Nerwen (Nerwen 5, morm 3, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1)
Menel -> morm (Nerwen 5, morm 4, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1)
LG -> Nerwen (Nerwen 6, morm 4, TM 2, Valier 2, Lommy 1)

Left to vote (unless I am mistaken):

Thinlómien
Farael (not probable)
Shastanis Althreduin
Kuruharan

Please be careful that you don't cross-post with anyone. A cross-post can mean a double-lynch in these circumstances, so try to type quick. In case of Lommy and LG ( ) such a thing should not happen, but otherwise...

EDIT: okay, I'm saying something and not doing that myself x-ed with LG. I'm editing the post to reflect her vote.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Valier's own words (chronologically):

Lynch the loud.

Day one is irksome, given lack of useable evidence.

She's innocent.

Morm is sketching her out by being quiet--
--isn't acting like himself--
--without excusing the change--
"I tend to believe that he has some hair up his sleeve."

She's innocent.

Morm's sketching her out--
--but she doesn't have evidence, just a feeling--
--she might not be right, but she'd rather find out through lynching morm--

Don't kill her, her feelings are sure to find at least one wolf.

She only has her instincts as 'proof.'

"Tomorrow is another day and if I survive till then it will be all the brighter"

And then she votes for morm.

---

Okay.

So I think the wolves killed her to frame morm, like I already said.

But I also think they probably killed her because of how plainly she was expressing her confidence in her gut reactions. Because we all get whims, you know? And we'd like to think we're right. But she said outright that she was sure she was going to discover a wolf.

And whether or not she did discover a wolf, that statement ("I AM going to find you" instead of "so I think I might be right") would be an eye-catcher.

So pretty much I agree with Legate saying

the wolves said "Look, probably a Seer" (and even if she isn't, why not to try).

and

Other possibility, likewise probable - morm is not a wolf, but the wolves noticed an opportunity to pass the guilt on someone else. Why not? Solving two problems at once.

So yeah. I think Valier died not because she'd nailed a wolf but because the wolves had a two-birds-with-one-stone philosophy.

At least that's what makes the most sense to me.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Thinlómien - helpful, nice, happy, etcetera. My question about Lommy: when you jumped in to post that Valier's death looks like morm's guilt, did you believe it, or were you just being the first one to publicly admit to the possibility?

Legate of Amon Lanc - no particular feelings of interest.

Aganzir - furry? I don't know. I don't like his accusation of Lommy and I feel like I missed something between Ag and Legate, because 'that's definitely not how it works at us'... It's the 'at us.' Is it just a grammar slip? The meaning of the sentence is lost on me.

Meneltarmacil - Eh.

Volo - I had suspicions last night, but I forgot them before this morning. At some point I'll go back and try to figure out what it was that worried me about Volo.

Macalaure - shrug.

The Might - I think the suicide vote points to TM's innocence. I haven't changed my mind.

Mormegil - innocent. Or I'll be forced to lynch him day one every game in our future for so completely pulling one over on me.

Feanor of the Peredhil - what a pleasant young woman...

Brinniel - systematic. I feel like if I could take notes the same way she does, I'd get higher than a C in my Neoclassical/Romantic English Lit class this term... No particular feelings. I'd like to keep her around, even if just because she simplifies my life by taking useful notes.

Satansaloser2005 - shrug

Farael – shrug

A Little Green - definitely new. No denying the "what? I'm so confused, please pity me" is over-doing it a bit. A lot. I have to admit, she's a likely vote for me today.

Kath – I know I should be terrified of you, but I'm not. Why? What are you doing differently? What am I doing differently? There's something wrong here! Just to be clear: I feel like I should be suspicious because I'm always suspicious of Kath just like (and because of the same game) how I'm suspicious all the time of morm. Just to be very clear: I really have no leanings on Kath. I'd like to see more posts from her, though.

Rikae – will go out by mod-fire. I'm not going to waste my time.

Shastanis Althreduin – Is it bad that I don't even remember seeing any posts by Shasta?

Kuruharan - On an existential level, Kuru, where are you? I miss you. Come back soon. I don't know what to do when I'm not being thwacked. Oh, for the village: I want to see a lot more length out of Kuru in the next few days.

[Meneltarmacil]

Gack! Should have been more active here.

Anyhow, it's getting close to the deadline, and I think I ought to vote. Regarding who seems suspicious, I'm going to go with something I noticed earlier in morm. Basically, he seems to be acting odd lately, posting a lot less than he has in the past (with one of them being a random accusation toss-out near the beginning). I agree that he seems suspicious. Moreover, his stated reason for voting Valier is that she might get him lynched if she doesn't die soon. That really doesn't sound good.

Valier and The Might have been described as two wolves that agreed to adopt different playing styles, and I would agree with Rikae's sentiment that their interaction early on appears "scripted" as she put it. However, I doubt Valier is a wolf if a were-morm is willing to put her life in jeopardy.

As for The Might's self-vote, that does not mean much to me. I remember a fellow from the old days of WW by the name of Nilpaurion Felagund who used to vote for himself all the time, Wolf or no.

My vote today is going to:

++mormegil

Now, since it seems unlikely that I'll be lynched today and have not made myself look suspicious enough to be lynched tomorrow, I can only assume that the wolves will eat me tonight. Therefore, after the Day is done, I'll make sure to set the dinner table for the guests and cover myself in butter.

[mormegil]

Originally Posted by Meneltarmacil

Moreover, his stated reason for voting Valier is that she might get him lynched if she doesn't die soon. That really doesn't sound good.

Menel, I think you misunderstood. I stated that it seemed to me that she wanted to kill me because I suspect her on occasion and have been successful at getting her lynched in the past (for better or worse). You seem to have turned it around the other way...why?

Originally Posted by Menel

Now, since it seems unlikely that I'll be lynched today and have not made myself look suspicious enough to be lynched tomorrow, I can only assume that the wolves will eat me tonight. Therefore, after the Day is done, I'll make sure to set the dinner table for the guests and cover myself in butter.

Rather odd again Menel. I don't like this thought and think it horribly suspicious to say something like this.

Originally Posted by Menel

However, I doubt Valier is a wolf if a were-morm is willing to put her life in jeopardy.

When I'm killed and it is found that I am innocent what does that mean?