Film Rights to First & Second Age - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

William Cloud Hicklin · 12-21-2007, 08:10 AM

Sauron:

You're stalling. We've been over this again and again and again: the facts are stipulated; we're arguing the law as it applies to the facts.

Why don't you come out and tell us what claim or rights you think Zaentz/New Line have in The Silmarillion? And is your position any different from the one you started with,

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they own the films rights to that material and anything published later and made known to the public can be used by them as well since it only details material which they already owned and had use of?

Sauron the White · 12-21-2007, 08:23 AM

WCH - so you agree to that facts as I have listed them here and above?
We should all get this straight before moving on to what we each thing these facts mean.

1- JRRT sold the film rights to both THE HOBBIT and LOTR to UA in 1969.
2- Included in LOTR are the Appendicies, including accounts of events in The FIrst , Second and Third Ages. Among these items are

- Feanor is shown to be the greatest of the Eldar making the Silmarils filling them with the radiance of the Two Trees
- Morgoth stealing the Silmarils
-Morgoth destroying the Two Trees by poisoning them
- Morgoth retreating to his great fortress of Thangorodrim with the Silmarils
- Feanor leading his people into exile
- War between the Eldar and Edain against Morgoth and his forces
- the defeat of the Eldar and Edain
- the union of Beren and Luthien and their lineage
-Beren and Luthien steal a Silmaril from the Iron Crown of Morgoth
-Luthien becomes mortal and gives birth to Dior
-the city of Gondolin with Turgon as its king
-the wedding of Earendil to Elwing
-the overthrow of Morgoth
-the ship of Earendil is set into the heavens

3- UA sells these film rights to Saul Zaentz in 1976.
4- JRRT dies never completing his SILMARALLION leaving behind various versions of stories which are later combined into a book length narrative by his son CT.
5 - THE SILMARALLION is published in 1977. Since that time the SIL has sold over a million copies and has remained in print for the last thirty years in languages all around the world.

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12-21-2007, 08:23 AM	#2
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	WCH - so you agree to that facts as I have listed them here and above? We should all get this straight before moving on to what we each thing these facts mean. 1- JRRT sold the film rights to both THE HOBBIT and LOTR to UA in 1969. 2- Included in LOTR are the Appendicies, including accounts of events in The FIrst , Second and Third Ages. Among these items are - Feanor is shown to be the greatest of the Eldar making the Silmarils filling them with the radiance of the Two Trees - Morgoth stealing the Silmarils -Morgoth destroying the Two Trees by poisoning them - Morgoth retreating to his great fortress of Thangorodrim with the Silmarils - Feanor leading his people into exile - War between the Eldar and Edain against Morgoth and his forces - the defeat of the Eldar and Edain - the union of Beren and Luthien and their lineage -Beren and Luthien steal a Silmaril from the Iron Crown of Morgoth -Luthien becomes mortal and gives birth to Dior -the city of Gondolin with Turgon as its king -the wedding of Earendil to Elwing -the overthrow of Morgoth -the ship of Earendil is set into the heavens 3- UA sells these film rights to Saul Zaentz in 1976. 4- JRRT dies never completing his SILMARALLION leaving behind various versions of stories which are later combined into a book length narrative by his son CT. 5 - THE SILMARALLION is published in 1977. Since that time the SIL has sold over a million copies and has remained in print for the last thirty years in languages all around the world. -