Other Palantiri? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Might · 12-23-2007, 07:19 PM

Thanks Lalwende for the support!

The Fourth Age was the Age of Men and so would be those to come. Elves and Dwarves would slowly pass out of memory and would become legends.

Men were now left to take care for themselves, no need to sit in a tower like Elendil and gaze towards the west dreaming of help from there or of what could have been.

While you say it makes no sense, I disagree. If the Elves thought that all kings of Men would be like Eomer and Aragorn then be sure that the palantir would have stayed, but they knew better. As hinted by Tolkien in a couple of places M-e did not remain a happy place until the Dagor Dagorath...evil Men came to power and in this case it might have been to keep the memory of Valinor hidden from them.
Also, what better explanation should there be....greed? I doubt it...

Alfirin · 12-24-2007, 06:24 AM

Your right I had forgotten both that stone and the fact that Tindrock was unreacable. I guess the hills of Eye and Ear relied on fast horses to get thier messages to the rulers.

So, it looks like all stones are accounted for and the two left at the end of the war of the ring are the only two available (I am asuming that, for the purpose of the argument the Anor stone, while nearly usless now, would still be kept somewhere, and that the Ithil stone was indeed blown up when Barad-Dur fell).
A pity. Those who are fond of writing fanfics (or RPG scenarios) might want to consider what might happen if the Osgilath stone was somehown recoved from the bed of the Anduin (by say an earthquake changing the path of the river ore someone late in the forth age putting locks in the river. I have always beived that the river wolnt not have destoyed the stone just made it utterly inacessible and by Third age tech irretrevable.

The Might · 12-24-2007, 07:14 AM

Well, considering THIS you may want to search near Ibiza.

No, but really I think that the disappearence of the palantiri was again a proof of the growing gap between the world of Men and the world of Elves and Dwarves and Hobbits.

Same thing probably happened to the Elessar and to other "magical" substances like mithril and ithildin. Simply forgotten as time passed.

Gwathagor · 12-26-2007, 01:10 AM

The farsight of Galadriel and Elrond was probably related to their wisdom, as well as their Rings.

12-23-2007, 07:19 PM	#1
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Thanks Lalwende for the support! The Fourth Age was the Age of Men and so would be those to come. Elves and Dwarves would slowly pass out of memory and would become legends. Men were now left to take care for themselves, no need to sit in a tower like Elendil and gaze towards the west dreaming of help from there or of what could have been. While you say it makes no sense, I disagree. If the Elves thought that all kings of Men would be like Eomer and Aragorn then be sure that the palantir would have stayed, but they knew better. As hinted by Tolkien in a couple of places M-e did not remain a happy place until the Dagor Dagorath...evil Men came to power and in this case it might have been to keep the memory of Valinor hidden from them. Also, what better explanation should there be....greed? I doubt it... __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-24-2007, 06:24 AM	#2
Alfirin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 435	Re: Tindrock Your right I had forgotten both that stone and the fact that Tindrock was unreacable. I guess the hills of Eye and Ear relied on fast horses to get thier messages to the rulers. So, it looks like all stones are accounted for and the two left at the end of the war of the ring are the only two available (I am asuming that, for the purpose of the argument the Anor stone, while nearly usless now, would still be kept somewhere, and that the Ithil stone was indeed blown up when Barad-Dur fell). A pity. Those who are fond of writing fanfics (or RPG scenarios) might want to consider what might happen if the Osgilath stone was somehown recoved from the bed of the Anduin (by say an earthquake changing the path of the river ore someone late in the forth age putting locks in the river. I have always beived that the river wolnt not have destoyed the stone just made it utterly inacessible and by Third age tech irretrevable.

12-24-2007, 07:14 AM	#3
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well, considering THIS you may want to search near Ibiza. No, but really I think that the disappearence of the palantiri was again a proof of the growing gap between the world of Men and the world of Elves and Dwarves and Hobbits. Same thing probably happened to the Elessar and to other "magical" substances like mithril and ithildin. Simply forgotten as time passed. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

12-26-2007, 01:10 AM	#4
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	The farsight of Galadriel and Elrond was probably related to their wisdom, as well as their Rings. __________________ Stories and songs.