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Old 01-04-2008, 08:01 AM   #1
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I agree with SpM in that by continuing to worry about Legate so much we are wasting time. I personally feel that he could be a cobbler Agan, so I agree with you there, however, I am not worried too much about what he can and can't do. The simple fact remains that the most likely way for the killing to stop is to get the remaining wolf. Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'

If I saw something more solid from you, perhaps I would be a little less beliving that you are indeed a cobbler which could be a hidden twist in the village.
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Old 01-04-2008, 08:19 AM   #2
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Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'

If I saw something more solid from you, perhaps I would be a little less beliving that you are indeed a cobbler which could be a hidden twist in the village.
That's nice, but you know, it's kinda depressing that it seems at least you and Aganzir don't trust me anyway. And I am, of course, not posting anything for certain, because I can be never certain - only a wolf or, indeed, a cobbler could do it with "clean" conscience. But when I know that I most probably die toNight, I am afraid to place things I am not sure about as sure. I believe I said what I wanted to say - the general views on all people is there, and I wouldn't say it is the way you say it. You probably don't read it well, apart from Kath I have quite good pictures about everyone, and as I said, surely I will post something at the end of the Day. And we have only one wolf now, and my thoughts are really that it is Aganzir. Now I have to leave, so I vote

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But will be back. Keep it up. Think.
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Old 01-04-2008, 10:41 AM   #3
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I'm surprised anyone is talking about Legate. Let him give us what he will and leave him to his (probable) fate tonight. The suspicion of him, at this stage, seems to do little but cloud the air.

I am suspicious of the 3 girls, mostly intuitively.

However, the most rational suspicion I have is of The Might. His voting pattern is not good: not simply because it was me he voted for, but because the nature of those votes were complete throwaways; it appeared he was trying to be original and not just voting for a suspicious character, or for good reasons. He defended Nerwen rather too much, plus his posts are usually lacking in contributions.

I think there's a great chance he is the last wolf.

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Old 01-04-2008, 10:46 AM   #4
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Aganzir, your 'reasoning' behind voting me is rather weak, you have no case. Have you forgotten so quickly that for three Days straight I went after Nerwen? Yet you were actually trying to save her.

In regards to speculation about my vote against Mac; it had nothing to do with reluctance. Deadline is 2pm my time, that day I had awoken rather late because of staying up late at night.

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Part revenge, as well as she has been trying to divert attention towards others; her cases against Legate and I are rather weak.

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Old 01-04-2008, 01:02 PM   #5
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Aganzir, your 'reasoning' behind voting me is rather weak, you have no case. Have you forgotten so quickly that for three Days straight I went after Nerwen? Yet you were actually trying to save her.
My playing is based very much on feelings and intuition, and I can't help if you strike me as a werewolf. That's the same reason I have kept going after Legate- and the same reason I kept suspecting Mac while quite a number of others said my case against him was far-fetched, improbable or whatever.
But I guess it's not too easy for anyone to come up with a good case when you're abroad and have about one hour a day to read everything, post and vote.

But as for this post of yours... The first thing you do when you are voted is to remind everyone how you were one of those who were most after Nerwen? I am shown in bad light compared to you because I considered her innocent from Day 1 on.
I could actually say the same to you: have you forgotten so quickly that I have voted for a wolf every single day? But in this village it means absolutely nothing. Normal werewolfing laws don't apply here.

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Yes, but we don’t even know if there is a Cobbler.
If Legate is not a wolf, he's some kind of a cobbler. I have never been this certain of someone's role.
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By the way, if I were a cobbler, surely Farael would have seen that? I don't like the way Aganzir keeps going after me, thus giving herself an image of stubborn innocent.
But that's what I am.
I asked Farael if he could see the twists but he didn't actually answer me. Unless this counts:
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Worst case scenario, Legate is a cobbler-like figure... doesn't matter, as long as he's not a werewolf (and I would've seen him thus if he were) he counts as an ordo and should NOT be lynched. Simple as that
I take it that Farael didn't know if he dreamt of a twist. I am sorry to ruin your happy day as a known innocent, but that's what my gut tells me to do.

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Because there's more chance that I can save myself by voting him than Isabell.
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Old 01-04-2008, 01:04 PM   #6
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I have just rereviewed all of The Might's 12 posts and must say that it did nothing to dissuade my decision to vote for him. I think it it probable that he has taken the quiet wolf approach especially consider the other wolves were fairly vocal and it didn't do much to help them out.

Isabell's last post however, has me a bit worried, but not enough to put her over The Might on my suspect list.

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Old 01-04-2008, 01:27 PM   #7
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Well, just a few thoughts on everyone before I go to eat:

Agan - seems quite suspicious, especially because of this constant harassment of Legate, who is a known innocent (even though possibly cobbler)
Izzy - no clue really
Legate - well, he's known to be an innocent
Eomer - not very suspicious anymore
Sauce - guess he's an innocent too and his posts don't look very wolvish
morm - again no clue
Kath - same goes for Kath

As much as I might think about all kinds of strategies I must admit that in the end I don't have a clue as to who from those remaining is the last wolf.

Anyway, since I don't have any other big suspicions and since it seems to be the only likely chance to not get lynched I'll have to go ahead and vote for

++ Aganzir

Anyway, in case I'll get lynched I wonder what the others will think tommorow...since I know I'm not a wolf I guess all might think that I was the final wolf and start fearing some madness in the end.

Sorry for again being a let down, I really must try to post more stuff, but somehow making some cases isn't really my strength except when I know someone is a wolf...maybe next WW.
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Old 01-04-2008, 02:02 PM   #8
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Although my concern of Legate is that if he wants us to consider him a known innocent then it would be nice if he acted the part a little more and gave some more helpful infomation and suspicion. Everybody in his last post seemed to be labeled as 'I tend to think them innocent but I could be wrong so...'
You know, that doesn’t really surprise me. I feel much the same way every time that I look at each villager. I can see arguments for each of you being the last Wolf and counter-arguments for each of you being innocent. This is often the case in Werewolf, but it’s particularly the case in this village, given all the strange things that have happened (multiple Wolf-on-Wolfs and all these mysteries). As a result, I am rather lost here myself.

I am therefore still edging towards voting either Isabellkya or The Might, as I feel that I have a better chance of reading the rest of you in the Days to come. My suspicions of Aganzir have actually eased off somewhat in light of her recent contributions. As she herself points out, she has voted for a Wolf every Day. I really cannot believe that there would be that many Wolf-on-Wolf votes. And I don’t think that the last Wolf would draw so much attention to herself by insisting so resolutely on Legate’s guilt.

My preference would be to lynch Isabellkya, as I don’t like her reasoning for her vote for Aganzir. And I am not sure about The Might. He seems to be on a mission to give away as little of his thoughts as possible which, again, would be risky for the last Wolf as it draws attention to him. However, with the tally 3 votes for Agan and 3 votes for Might, a vote for Izzie would be pointless as matters stand. If that continues to remain the case, I will have to vote for The Might, as I see him as being a more likely Wolf than Aganzir.
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Old 01-04-2008, 02:30 PM   #9
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I just thought I'd let you know that it is possible no one will be around to close the day right at the deadline.

You are free to post so long as no one has announced the beginning of Night, however, VOTES cast after 9:59 GMT will NOT COUNT.

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"Cruelty?” laughed the Voice. “Me? Perhaps, but only one such as you would label those things which I have done with a word such as ‘cruelty.’ And I daresay I am yet imperfect, for only those like you, proud fool, consider themselves to be unchangeable and right. I can yet learn, adapt. There is hope, for me”

“You speak of inability to adapt, yet my plan was altered, and I still claim victory over you and yours! For in the end, in a battle between you and I, I shall always prevail. Do not pretend you do not know the Power which I serve.”

“Your precious Power... Your Power deceives you. Tricks you. Keeps secrets from you. Your Power’s bidding is a command to you, one you follow with no thought of your own. One you follow blindly. Your Power enslaves you, creates a monster of you.”

So it went between them, a battle of curious words, both sides unswayable, throughout the day.

And as their voices echoed over the heads of the villagers, altered by the damp of the fog, carried strangely over the water so as to seem to come from everywhere, the villagers in turn argued.

"Remember lore!” shouted Saucie. “Remember your history lessons. Hear what I have to say of villages from afar, for I travel and you… you people make lamps, tend sheep, dig graves. Hear this, of a village far away, long ago! Two travelers approached and were side-tracked by a castle similar in appearance in terms of decrepitude and ravens to the House of Usher, if you’re familiar with Poe. And in the tower lived a creature, a mad creature, a fully beautiful creation of feminine form, who called herself the Dark Lady, and she had werewolves, a pair. The travelers died somewhat nonchalantly and took control of the narrative and the Dark Lady commanded the wolves to KILL. And when they died at her feet, due to injuries inflicted by the village, very early on, quite frankly, before the game had really even gotten going, she showed no concern. Rather, she continued to slaughter the village, her decisions made by roll of dice, and continued to play on their fears so they would kill each other even when she rested! Or something like that! It’s been a while! Hear now the story of the Dark Lady! Learn! My point relies less on the details of the events than the fact that she was an absolute nut job, this Dark Lady! Do not forget that the wolves may die but an evil may yet live! Take nothing for granted!”

And many cried, “This is madness!”

To which Saucie responded, “Of course it is, you fools! Of course! That’s what I was trying to tell you! We should be prepared for madness!!!”

To which someone muttered, “I’d say he knows an awful lot about madness… maybe… too much.”

A comment which was deftly ignored by all as decisions were made to lynch both Aganzir and the Might.

“Wait…” muttered Kath. “I don’t want to kill either of them.”

“I mean to contribute to a game run by nutjobs with a bit more madness. Die, Isabellkya, die!” And he charged her with those things he’d tinked in his travels. But he was stopped.

“Ahem.” Quothe the village. “Not Isabellkya. We decide these things by popular vote.”

And Saucie looked meek.

Kath cast her vote for the Might, and Saucie, rebuked, agreed, and so it was that the Might died at the hands of the village. Yet as he died, the fog fell heavily, like a living thing, upon them, around them, between them, and all sounds were muffled, and all were blind. And when it lifted, the Might was gone from their midst.

“Did anybody see if he transformed!?” shouted many.

But alas… nobody knew. And the Fog laughed. And the Voice beyond it almost seemed to chuckle as well.

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The Residents-
Aganzir- hangwoman
Eomer of the Rohirrim- gravedigger
Isabellkya- hen
Kath- milliner
Legate of Amon Lanc- lamp-maker/fiddler
mormegil- woodsman/carpenter
The Saucepan Man- traveling tinker

The Departed-
Nogrod, reticent lumberjack- Day 1 lynch victim (WEREWOLF)
Shastanis Althreduin, herbalist- Night 2 wolf slaughter (VILLAGER)
Valier, basket weaver- Day 2 lynch victim (HUNTER)[/COLOR]
Azaelia of Willowbottom, apprentice to Rikae- slain by Hunter on Day 2 (VILLAGER)
Nerwen, miller- found out on Day 3 (WEREWOLF)
Macalaure, jailer- outed on Day 4 (WEREWOLF)[/COLOR]
Boromir88, assistant to the apprentice to Rikae- taken by fog on Night 5 (RANGER)
Rikae, midwife/wise-woman- executed on Day 5 (WEREWOLF)
Farael, conspiracy theorist- surrendered to fog on Night 6 (SEER)
The Might- shepherd – went missing upon execution (UNKNOWN)

IT IS NOW NIGHT 6. YOU MAY NOT POST.
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Old 01-08-2008, 09:10 AM   #11
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Kath continued

Post 490 she states that she believes it's obvious that Farael is the seer. Votes Rikae and states that by normal rules Rikae and Mac are not lovers.

Post 510 suggest that perhaps their is a dueling wizards role going on that is unknown to most of us. Wonders if the remaining wolves knows of their master. Give the remaining list of villagers.

Post 522 questions if she missed something that SpM was a known innocent. Gives vote count. It's a tie between Agan and The Might. Says she has felt the arguement against Agan has been engineered from the beginning and that she doesn't really want to vote the Might either. She doesn't say who she would like to vote for. In fact up to this point, after the cursed was turned she hasn't stated who she is suspicious of really. States that if she must vote for one of them then she could see The Might as her vote because he has been quiet and with the number of loud wolves this would make some sense to her.

Post 526 votes for The Might stating that she doesn't really want to vote Izzy either. She feels the Might's style is more likely to be that of a wolves than Agan's.

Post 538 she isn't surprised that Legate is alive and doesn't seem certain that he was dreamt of. Asks for a summary of dreaming activity. Doesn't suspect SpM and me which she normally does. That leaves Legate, Agan, and Izzy. Of the three she wonders if Legate has been converted (again she didn't know the dream order) this could be an attempt to play dumb but I think it more likely that Kath has been skimming the posts a bit more than normal and missed that post.

Post 549 states that her inactivity is due to poor connectivity and states that she could try a bit harder. Votes Izzy basically because 'we've heard so little from her'. Not a very good reason in and of itself.

Post 556 states again that she does not suspect SpM and me so that really only leaves Agan. She hopes to sleep and be able to read everything posted to come to a good conclusion.

I simply don't see a change in playing style that would indicate a cursed nor do I see anything that makes me think Kath was a wolf from the beginning. She doens't seem to have her whole self in it. Usually an innocent or guilty Kath would but definately a guilty Kath. Plus I just don't feel that she's guilty which, for me on Kath, is usually accurate.

With that said and based on the fact that I don't have time to go over SpM's posts I think that Agan is the most likely. SpM is somebody I watch and read carefully, not only is he very lucid and helpful but he is somebody I don't by nature trust and feel I can read him fairly well and like Kath I just don't find him guilty. I've paid close attention to everything he has posted but I just don't feel it. While Agan doesn't feel incredibly wolfish to me I refuse to believe that we don't have a wolf among us. I think only Fea can be that cruel.

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