Treachery of Men Discussion/Planning Thread - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Folwren · 01-08-2008, 01:37 PM

Depending on what you have in mind, Gwathagor, you could have the discussion before he dies.

Gwathagor · 01-08-2008, 01:39 PM

Sure.

Child of the 7th Age · 01-08-2008, 04:32 PM

Thanks Gwathagor for making that clearer, also Folwren with her idea. How about this? We could use Tolkien's concept of Ósanwe and have the exchange of thoughts take place as Khandr lies dying.... fëa to fëa so to speak. I could envision such an exchange between a Maia and a human. Frodo certainly picked up vibes from Gandalf.

I am still a bit uncertain exactly what that exchange of thoughts would be. Khandr is a decent man but I don't think he could mentally challenge a Maia in any way. I suppose that Jord could reveal to him the full extent of the treason that will be taking place on the battlefield. That would certainly depress him! What general direction do you see this exchange going? Feel free to reply on the thread or send me a pm if you want to get into details.

Gwathagor · 01-08-2008, 07:43 PM

That's exactly what I had in mind. Because she's mean and cruel and more than a bit self-satisfied, Jord can give Khandr a vision of what is to come, with the intent that he dies despairing. Maybe we can think of some last glimmer of hope, something positive, for Khandr to grasp as he dies, so that Jord's present victory is not absolute. What do you think?

littlemanpoet · 01-08-2008, 09:56 PM

Now this is intriguing! And Thorn would have a bit more into this than what I had been thinking, as he is a listener to the Song. His "second hearing" (rather than "second sight") would give him some percipience into this, which could lead right into his own confrontation with Jord. Thoughts?

Gwathagor · 01-08-2008, 10:16 PM

That sounds great.

It would give Thorn a pretty clear idea of Jord's/Morgoth's plans for the Easterlings (they are Easterlings, aren't they?), and would therefore have to speed the choosing of sides and the actual betrayal considerably. Jord would realize that if Thorn knows, he's probably going to tell the good guys (Lachrandir in particular). Is that an accurate assessment?

Child of the 7th Age · 01-09-2008, 01:44 AM

Would this work?

As Khandr lies dying, overwhelmed by the grim news that Jord has conveyed to him, he desperately reaches out for another fea to pass on what he has learned. He can do no more than briefly feel a hint of Thorn's mind and then immediately dies. But this would set up the scene for a confrontation of some sort...whatever sort you want....between Thorn and Jord.

It might also make sense that, since Thorn already knows that Khandr is in deep trouble, he might actually be making an attempt to "read" the latter from a distance and would therefore respond more readily when the old Borrim diplomat reaches out for help.

01-08-2008, 01:37 PM	#1
Folwren Messenger of Hope Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a tiny, insignificant little town in one of the many States. Posts: 5,076	Depending on what you have in mind, Gwathagor, you could have the discussion before he dies. __________________ A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. - C.S. Lewis

01-08-2008, 01:39 PM	#2
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	Sure. __________________ Stories and songs.

01-08-2008, 04:32 PM	#3
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Thanks Gwathagor for making that clearer, also Folwren with her idea. How about this? We could use Tolkien's concept of Ósanwe and have the exchange of thoughts take place as Khandr lies dying.... fëa to fëa so to speak. I could envision such an exchange between a Maia and a human. Frodo certainly picked up vibes from Gandalf. I am still a bit uncertain exactly what that exchange of thoughts would be. Khandr is a decent man but I don't think he could mentally challenge a Maia in any way. I suppose that Jord could reveal to him the full extent of the treason that will be taking place on the battlefield. That would certainly depress him! What general direction do you see this exchange going? Feel free to reply on the thread or send me a pm if you want to get into details. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

01-08-2008, 07:43 PM	#4
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	That's exactly what I had in mind. Because she's mean and cruel and more than a bit self-satisfied, Jord can give Khandr a vision of what is to come, with the intent that he dies despairing. Maybe we can think of some last glimmer of hope, something positive, for Khandr to grasp as he dies, so that Jord's present victory is not absolute. What do you think? __________________ Stories and songs.

01-08-2008, 10:16 PM	#6
Gwathagor Shade with a Blade Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: A Rainy Night In Soho Posts: 2,512	That sounds great. It would give Thorn a pretty clear idea of Jord's/Morgoth's plans for the Easterlings (they are Easterlings, aren't they?), and would therefore have to speed the choosing of sides and the actual betrayal considerably. Jord would realize that if Thorn knows, he's probably going to tell the good guys (Lachrandir in particular). Is that an accurate assessment? __________________ Stories and songs. Last edited by Gwathagor; 01-08-2008 at 10:28 PM.

01-08-2008, 09:56 PM	#5
littlemanpoet Itinerant Songster Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Edge of Faerie Posts: 7,066	Now this is intriguing! And Thorn would have a bit more into this than what I had been thinking, as he is a listener to the Song. His "second hearing" (rather than "second sight") would give him some percipience into this, which could lead right into his own confrontation with Jord. Thoughts?

01-09-2008, 01:44 AM	#7
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Would this work? As Khandr lies dying, overwhelmed by the grim news that Jord has conveyed to him, he desperately reaches out for another fea to pass on what he has learned. He can do no more than briefly feel a hint of Thorn's mind and then immediately dies. But this would set up the scene for a confrontation of some sort...whatever sort you want....between Thorn and Jord. It might also make sense that, since Thorn already knows that Khandr is in deep trouble, he might actually be making an attempt to "read" the latter from a distance and would therefore respond more readily when the old Borrim diplomat reaches out for help. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.