Hurin and despair - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

davem · 05-17-2003, 02:08 AM

Its not so much a matter of 'blaming the mother', as trying to understand the effect of his relationship with Morwen. He is carrying this, & his unresolved relationships to his sisters along with him through everything. I think it affects his actions to an incredible degree - he kills Saeros purely for that reason. I wonder whether his pain is not down in a major part to the fact that he wasn't able to get as close to her as he needed to be.

As far as Morgoth's curse goes, I can't help feeling that Morgoth was provoked by Hurin's response. If he wanted to find out more about Gondolin I'm sure he could, as the most powerful being in Arda, have found an easy way to get the information. Hurin, for all his justified hatred of Morgoth, treated him as an object of contempt. Morgoth would not simply accept that - he would want to 'make an example' of him.

I do feel though that we have to keep in mind that Hurin & his family are the 'good guys'. As long as we do, its valid to analyse their motivations. Maybe those of us on the 'they brought it all on themselves' side have gone a bit far, but they did bring a LOT of it on themselves [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

05-17-2003, 02:08 AM	#11
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	Its not so much a matter of 'blaming the mother', as trying to understand the effect of his relationship with Morwen. He is carrying this, & his unresolved relationships to his sisters along with him through everything. I think it affects his actions to an incredible degree - he kills Saeros purely for that reason. I wonder whether his pain is not down in a major part to the fact that he wasn't able to get as close to her as he needed to be. As far as Morgoth's curse goes, I can't help feeling that Morgoth was provoked by Hurin's response. If he wanted to find out more about Gondolin I'm sure he could, as the most powerful being in Arda, have found an easy way to get the information. Hurin, for all his justified hatred of Morgoth, treated him as an object of contempt. Morgoth would not simply accept that - he would want to 'make an example' of him. I do feel though that we have to keep in mind that Hurin & his family are the 'good guys'. As long as we do, its valid to analyse their motivations. Maybe those of us on the 'they brought it all on themselves' side have gone a bit far, but they did bring a LOT of it on themselves [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."