COMPASS & LOTR comparison

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

these were not the words of a man of Rohan, but of a modern chappie full of "emotional intelligence". They annoyed me.

I concur. Very modern, very tortured, very unsure of himself.

[Sauron the White]

Very modern.... etc etc etc.....
Gee, I thought these films were beind made for people at the start of the 21st century. Perhaps the lines should have been delivered in the ancient imaginary languages of the actual people of Middle-earth? You want authenticity - thats authenticity.

If you want you can go into a 100 story tall building and tour it and complain about the toilets on the 45th floor being too loud when they flush. It does not matter that every lease in the building is scooped up or business is great or they won the professional awards of architects and designers. You want to complain about toilets.

Its the big picture that counts folks. And movies are pretty big pictures.

[Gwathagor]

In your building metaphor, the script should probably be the steel framework of the structure, rather than the toilets.

[Sauron the White]

No it should not.
Some here are talking about a line or two out of 11 hours of screen time. Thats focusing on a tiny detail and ignoring the big picture.

I find it absolutely amazing that if one had never seen these three films but only read posts here, they would think that the three LOTR films all died in their first weekend at the box office and were hated by nearly everyone.

Sometimes I cannot help but think of that old story about the too proud mother who went to watch her son Johnny march in the town parade. As he went by in the middle of sixty other marchers, he was the one out of step. Mama did not miss a single beat..... "looks like everyone is messing up but my Johnny" she insisted.

I guess the rest of the civilized world totally missed the boat on these films and only a very small cadre of wanna-be intellectuals know the real score. And they have each other to be reassured of their status as True Believers and Gaurdians of the Truth.

Evolution has nothing to do with snobbery.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

Evolution has nothing to do with snobbery.

Are you SURE?

[William Cloud Hicklin]

Some here are talking about a line or two out of 11 hours of screen time. Thats focusing on a tiny detail and ignoring the big picture.

Oh, no. No no no no no.

These lines are *examples* taken from many, many many possible to illustrate a larger point: PBW completely failed to understand the characters, the way they think, theie cultural milieu, failed to understand that Middle-earth at the end of the Third Age is *not* the beginning of the 21st century- and, to boot, were utterly tone-deaf to the language Tolkien prized above all. This goes on for hour after excruciating hour- flat dialogue, characters 'improved' because PBW never understood them to begin with, PJ's utter cluelessness, his total failure to percieve what makes Tolkien Tolkien. He could just as well have filmed Terry Brooks.

[Quempel]

Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

Oh, no. No no no no no.

PBW completely failed to understand the characters, the way they think, theie cultural milieu, failed to understand that Middle-earth at the end of the Third Age is *not* the beginning of the 21st century- and, to boot, were utterly tone-deaf to the language Tolkien prized above all. This goes on for hour after excruciating hour- flat dialogue, characters 'improved' because PBW never understood them to begin with, PJ's utter cluelessness, his total failure to percieve what makes Tolkien Tolkien. He could just as well have filmed Terry Brooks.

Well they are Aussies and still under the British Crown and all....

[davem]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

No it should not.
Some here are talking about a line or two out of 11 hours of screen time. Thats focusing on a tiny detail and ignoring the big picture.

Its not about 'a line or two out of 11 hours of screen time.' To repeat myself:

Its not about the line - its about the character. You cannot have a character who has, up to that point, used a highly archaic speech pattern (taken in the main straight from Tolkien) suddenly change & start using a modern speech pattern - and why? Because one of them will seem fake. Either Galadriel (in the movie) has been 'putting on' the archaic speech up to that point & suddenly begins to speak 'colloquially' - which calls into question her character (what game has she been playing up to then?), or her natural speech is archaic & she is patronising Frodo by attempting to speak on his level. The point that the 'writers' have missed is that one's speech patterns & turns of phrase reflect the way one thinks, one's whole life experience. Anyone who comes out with a line like that is not wise & insightful - they are simply thick. Elrond's words "Yet such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere." would have worked. One can only suppose the 'writers' couldn't work out what they meant.

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by Sauron the White

It does not matter that every lease in the building is scooped up or business is great or they won the professional awards of architects and designers. You want to complain about toilets.

Laugh as much as we want about potty humour, all the real estate profits in Manhattan profit not if the latrines back up.

Dysentry and diarrhea are prime killers of children and aren't far behind in their rampage on adults.

Like it or not, how we deal with excrement is a defining characteristic of us as human beings. And sometimes a mere shower is not enough to cleanse the matter of its sickly properties.

Sorry, but your analogy got me far off topic . . . I'll go check on thread posts I've been missing for almost the past week now. . .