How did Gandalf regain his staff? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

BARAHIR · 01-25-2008, 01:43 PM

Hello my friends, to put all your minds at rest about the missing staff, the story goes as this is the story.
When the Isatar arrived to middle earth they had no staffs, they had what was known as a rod, it is held within them, this was their source of power. When the five arrived in Greenwood the Great (Now known as Mirkwood) each went their separate ways and created their staffs. Gandalfs staff from his arrival till it was snatched up by Saurman was only the first (It was created from the trees in Mirkwood). When Gandalf was rescued by the Eagle he returned to Mirkwood where he had created his original staff. To the other questions about using his powers go as this, a truly good wizard only uses his powers to vanquish true evil because it will diminish . Gandalf was entrusted with Narya one of the Elven rings (after cirdan's death) because of his values to life. And as we know when using a ring of power the evil Lord knows all.
As for Gandalfs white staff that was broken by the Witch King of Agmar, Gandalf replaced this staff from the refreshed tree of gondor, with the Kings permisson.
Hopefully this will answer alls questions, if not please contact me.

May the peace of our middle earth be with you always.

Namaire.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-25-2008, 02:40 PM

I'm afraid the breaking of Gandalf's white staff by the Witch King is one of Peter Jackson's movie inventions! It's fun to speculate about the origin of the staffs of which we know from the books, but Tolkien did not give more information, so anything we postulate has more to do with our imaginations than with actual fact.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-25-2008, 02:47 PM

My, my. Mirkwood branches? Cirdan's death? Where did you learn all this, Barahir?

Mithalwen · 01-25-2008, 03:00 PM

I think he means Gil-galad's death...

BARAHIR · 01-25-2008, 03:02 PM

Ah yes it is true that no actual writing was done of this in book but if you read into the story you will remember that when Gandalf entered to save faramir and the gaurds fell it was the stroke of his hand (Glamring) that made the guards fall and unbridled the sword from Denethors hand, not his staff. Read deeply into the passages and see them for what they are they do tell use more than what is there.

Barahir

BARAHIR · 01-25-2008, 03:07 PM

Unfortuently Gil-Galad perished in the First war with Sauron.

Barahir

BARAHIR · 01-25-2008, 03:14 PM

We must remember and go back, way back, Mirkwood was at one time the Greenwood forest before it was poisoned by Sauron and the evil which he created.
legolas's was origanilly from the greenwood forest hence his surname Greenleaf, Read deeper into the writings....

Barahir

Mithalwen · 01-25-2008, 03:27 PM

I have always thought the wizard's staff analogous to the musician's instrument. Not the source of the power but the means to it's execution... which is not to say that the staff is merely a stick.... I remember my violin teacher could make my grot-box sound good while her beautiful italian violin could make me sound a whold lot better ...

BARAHIR · 01-25-2008, 03:48 PM

Very good , The staff is not merely a stick just as the grot box, it is an instrument into which to exhibit one's force, power, expression, feelings.
AHHH a worthy mind to exhibit true meanings.

Barahir

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-25-2008, 04:08 PM

The Istari arrived in Middle-earth after the first shadow had fallen on Greenwood. Why do you insist, Barahir, that Gandalf's staff was made from the wood of this forest? I just can't think of any source which suggests this.

I think it likely that the Istari brought staffs with them over the Sea; after all, they were in the bodies of old men and needed walking sticks. There's a thread near the top of the N & N forum about wizards and staffs. It's interesting.

Edit: It is called The True Istari. I'd link but I'm not sure there's such a thing as 82nd time lucky. ;-)

BARAHIR · 01-25-2008, 04:17 PM

My friend if you read, it's in the 1st shadows when the Isatri arrived (Greenwood the Great) and this is the place where Gandalf first befriended the grey elfs, legolas's people. The mirkwood trees were full of good still at that time before the final shadows. My suggestion is to start yours readings with the Silmarrillion and work through the tales and so forth.

Remember we are what keeps this Earth alive.

Barahir

01-25-2008, 01:43 PM	#1
BARAHIR Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 10	Gandalfs Staff Hello my friends, to put all your minds at rest about the missing staff, the story goes as this is the story. When the Isatar arrived to middle earth they had no staffs, they had what was known as a rod, it is held within them, this was their source of power. When the five arrived in Greenwood the Great (Now known as Mirkwood) each went their separate ways and created their staffs. Gandalfs staff from his arrival till it was snatched up by Saurman was only the first (It was created from the trees in Mirkwood). When Gandalf was rescued by the Eagle he returned to Mirkwood where he had created his original staff. To the other questions about using his powers go as this, a truly good wizard only uses his powers to vanquish true evil because it will diminish . Gandalf was entrusted with Narya one of the Elven rings (after cirdan's death) because of his values to life. And as we know when using a ring of power the evil Lord knows all. As for Gandalfs white staff that was broken by the Witch King of Agmar, Gandalf replaced this staff from the refreshed tree of gondor, with the Kings permisson. Hopefully this will answer alls questions, if not please contact me. May the peace of our middle earth be with you always. Namaire.

01-25-2008, 02:40 PM	#2
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	I'm afraid the breaking of Gandalf's white staff by the Witch King is one of Peter Jackson's movie inventions! It's fun to speculate about the origin of the staffs of which we know from the books, but Tolkien did not give more information, so anything we postulate has more to do with our imaginations than with actual fact. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-25-2008, 02:47 PM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	My, my. Mirkwood branches? Cirdan's death? Where did you learn all this, Barahir? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-25-2008, 03:00 PM	#4
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I think he means Gil-galad's death... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-25-2008, 03:02 PM	#5
BARAHIR Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 10	So true Ah yes it is true that no actual writing was done of this in book but if you read into the story you will remember that when Gandalf entered to save faramir and the gaurds fell it was the stroke of his hand (Glamring) that made the guards fall and unbridled the sword from Denethors hand, not his staff. Read deeply into the passages and see them for what they are they do tell use more than what is there. Barahir

01-25-2008, 03:07 PM	#6
BARAHIR Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 10	Gil-Galad Unfortuently Gil-Galad perished in the First war with Sauron. Barahir

01-25-2008, 03:14 PM	#7
BARAHIR Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 10	Mirkwood We must remember and go back, way back, Mirkwood was at one time the Greenwood forest before it was poisoned by Sauron and the evil which he created. legolas's was origanilly from the greenwood forest hence his surname Greenleaf, Read deeper into the writings.... Barahir

01-25-2008, 03:27 PM	#8
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,461	I have always thought the wizard's staff analogous to the musician's instrument. Not the source of the power but the means to it's execution... which is not to say that the staff is merely a stick.... I remember my violin teacher could make my grot-box sound good while her beautiful italian violin could make me sound a whold lot better ... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

01-25-2008, 03:48 PM	#9
BARAHIR Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 10	The Staff Very good , The staff is not merely a stick just as the grot box, it is an instrument into which to exhibit one's force, power, expression, feelings. AHHH a worthy mind to exhibit true meanings. Barahir

01-25-2008, 04:08 PM	#10
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The Istari arrived in Middle-earth after the first shadow had fallen on Greenwood. Why do you insist, Barahir, that Gandalf's staff was made from the wood of this forest? I just can't think of any source which suggests this. I think it likely that the Istari brought staffs with them over the Sea; after all, they were in the bodies of old men and needed walking sticks. There's a thread near the top of the N & N forum about wizards and staffs. It's interesting. Edit: It is called The True Istari. I'd link but I'm not sure there's such a thing as 82nd time lucky. ;-) __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond Last edited by Eomer of the Rohirrim; 01-25-2008 at 04:12 PM.

01-25-2008, 04:17 PM	#11
BARAHIR Newly Deceased Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 10	Staffs My friend if you read, it's in the 1st shadows when the Isatri arrived (Greenwood the Great) and this is the place where Gandalf first befriended the grey elfs, legolas's people. The mirkwood trees were full of good still at that time before the final shadows. My suggestion is to start yours readings with the Silmarrillion and work through the tales and so forth. Remember we are what keeps this Earth alive. Barahir