Dragon's Flame, Magical?

[Estelyn Telcontar]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

But there is more holding the One Ring together than just the obvious. Does it take the same amount of effort to destroy the other rings of power as it does the One Ring?

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

*shakes head - reading previous posts is a highly recommended method for answering your questions!

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Estelyn Telcontar

*shakes head - reading previous posts is a highly recommended method for answering your questions!

I've read Legate's post on the One Ring. My question is how about the other rings. Would it be the same with those?

But you're right Estelyn , I do seldom fully read other peoples posts.

[Estelyn Telcontar]

But that quote from the book does say something about the other rings - read the sentence that begins with "It has been said..." Apparently dragon fire (though not of the cooler dragons existing at the point of time the War of the Rings took place) could melt the other Rings of Power, but not even the strongest (dragon) fire could melt the One Ring.

[Alfirin]

First a question, since all of the rings of power are accounted for at the beginning of the LOTR (the nine men's are on the nazgul, the seven dwarves are in sauron's keeping the three eleven are on Elrond's Gladriel's and Gandalf's fingers and the one is in Frodo's keeping) how exactly does anyone know that dragon fire will melt the lesser rings?
on the main note of this post I seem to recall that there were two kinds of dragon fire in ME. Most dragons fire was red-orange-yellow and I tedn to think that this was simply ordinary fire. But I beive tolkein said that some dragons could also breathe Green flames. Since fire does not, under normal circumstaces burn green (unless the dragons were eating a LOT of copper salts) I think that those flames may have had some sort of additonal power and could be considered "magic" in some manner." As for the Dragonproof armor of The Dwarves I've always just assumed that dwarves, being wise in nature of minerals simply know where to find asbestos and how to wave it into fireproof cloth which could be incroprted into armor. I also seem to recally that a key part of the armor was metal scrresn over the visors which gave the dwarves the advatage of being able to see through the dragons fire without buring their faces off

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Alfirin

First a question, since all of the rings of power are accounted for at the beginning of the LOTR (the nine men's are on the nazgul, the seven dwarves are in sauron's keeping the three eleven are on Elrond's Gladriel's and Gandalf's fingers and the one is in Frodo's keeping) how exactly does anyone know that dragon fire will melt the lesser rings?

Well, "it is said", says Gandalf - it may not be true. However, you are not right about the Seven Rings of Dwarves. Sauron recovered only (darn, I never remember whether he recovered three and four remained or he recovered four and three remained), who cares, some of them, and the rest was consummed by the dragons. Here you go.

Originally Posted by Alfirin

But I beive tolkein said that some dragons could also breathe Green flames. Since fire does not, under normal circumstaces burn green (unless the dragons were eating a LOT of copper salts) I think that those flames may have had some sort of additonal power and could be considered "magic" in some manner."

I believe you are referring to this:

Originally Posted by The Hobbit

he soared blazing into the air and settled on the mountain-top in a spout of green and scarlet flame

Yes, this seems the most "magic" part of all. Though, who knows what happened inside the dragon's belly - but it was not a "normal" fire in any case. Btw, I'm not that knowledgeable on this field, but isn't the colour here saying something about the temperature? Ee, in case of gases probably not, huh?

[Alfirin]

But heat alone can't make fire turn green; the color/heat pattern for fire is the same one (quite logically) for magnitute of stars. From coolest to hottest it goes- red,orange,yellow, white, blue-white. Fire can't burn green witout help

But thanks for the ring clarification, that would explain how people know that dragon fire melts rings

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Alfirin

But heat alone can't make fire turn green; the color/heat pattern for fire is the same one (quite logically) for magnitute of stars. From coolest to hottest it goes- red,orange,yellow, white, blue-white. Fire can't burn green witout help

Oh yes, of course (silly diletant )

[Dwarven Warrior]

Originally Posted by Alfirin

But heat alone can't make fire turn green; the color/heat pattern for fire is the same one (quite logically) for magnitute of stars. From coolest to hottest it goes- red,orange,yellow, white, blue-white. Fire can't burn green witout help.

But no other dragon other than Smaug has ever done this. I'm scurrying through my LotR books here, and I can't find anywhere else that it says that.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Sauron recovered only (darn, I never remember whether he recovered three and four remained or he recovered four and three remained), who cares, some of them, and the rest was consummed by the dragons. Here you go.

Thank you Legate! That certainly proves that dragons can destroy rings of power. Although the dragons could have just eaten the rings.

Alfirin, thanks for mentioning the green dragon fire. I think ya'll have just answered my questions!