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Eönwë · 02-10-2008, 10:08 AM

The silmarillion (including chunks from BoLT, UT and HoME) would be amazing. Especially the ones that don't include the Ainur (As that would spoil it a bit), welll, maybe Beren and Luthien (But except that , no AInur)

Lalwendë · 02-10-2008, 04:03 PM

So, Boro, don't fancy sitting through three hours of Bilbo hiding from his neighbours with the tense point being the death of Frodo's parents? Nor me.

The Star Wars analogy is spot on.

What really troubles me is that the reader needs absolutely NO extra information than what Tolkien gave us in both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings - he was saying "Move along, nothing to see here" and it worked. What's more, Jackson pulled off something very, very difficult in getting the 'prologue' scenes in Lord of the Rings to work, to convey all the information even the most casual viewer might need.

There's just nothing to add in there and that's what rankles.

Sauron the White · 02-10-2008, 04:53 PM

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So, Boro, don't fancy sitting through three hours of Bilbo hiding from his neighbours with the tense point being the death of Frodo's parents? Nor me. The Star Wars analogy is spot on.

I do not think that focus has a snowballs chance of being the second movie.
Sauron, Dol Goldur, and the Council throwing him out of Mirkwood is what I would put my money on. That is far more interesting than Bilbo doing just about anything you can think of.

davem · 02-10-2008, 05:09 PM

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Sauron, Dol Goldur, and the Council throwing him out of Mirkwood is what I would put my money on. .

Yeah, yeah, yeah, a bunch of wizards & Elves take on an evil Dark lord & his Orkish minions & gain a great victory ...or so they think!

Maybe they could get Terry Brooks to write the screenplay?

Honestly, Tolkien had enough smarts to realise that that kind of nonsense was only deserving of an entry in Appendix B & then turn to something more interesting instead. You merely confirm my suspicions that this 'sequel/prequel' will be aimed purely at the fanboys & Leggyboppers. Bloated, dumbed-down nonsense. If that's it - a two-hour sfx fest aimed purely at re-stocking New Line's bare coffers - then it would be best if all concerned just made a Sword of Shannara movie.

However, I'll just get off this particular bus now......

Sauron the White · 02-10-2008, 06:20 PM

from davem

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, a bunch of wizards & Elves take on an evil Dark lord & his Orkish minions & gain a great victory ...or so they think!

Maybe they could get Terry Brooks to write the screenplay?

Terry Brooks?!?!?!?!?!?
All these years I thought those ideas came straight from JRRTolkien himself?

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Honestly, Tolkien had enough smarts to realise that that kind of nonsense was only deserving of an entry in Appendix B & then turn to something more interesting instead.

What were those things "more interesting" that JRRT turned to after he wrote LOTR? You know much more than I do about the literary career of JRRT davem, but I was under another impression - that after producing LOTR, there were a bunch of rather unproductive months which stretched into years where it was lots of dickering and niggling at the edges of stuff he had alread wrote years ago but could never finish it for some reason. Or maybe you are referring to his love of Patience and wine?

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You merely confirm my suspicions that this 'sequel/prequel' will be aimed purely at the fanboys & Leggyboppers. Bloated, dumbed-down nonsense.

You praise me with great praise and I blush while thanking you. But really, do not let this humble servant confirm anything you may suspect. I know nothing about this and am only looking at reflections on the cave wall produced by a dimly lit campfire and my perspective is from rather far outside the cave and its rather a foggy night at that.

Is it possible to be so smugly superior and condescending about a film that does not yet even have an outline yet alone a script or cast? I beg your pardon for offering such a dumb question on my part.

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However, I'll just get off this particular bus now......

Looking forward to your return..... especially when we have more than just speculation to discuss.

Tuor in Gondolin · 02-11-2008, 09:48 AM

Actually, (Hobbit II?) could be rather good if they
made the theme Strider's Bio. You could fudge his
age by 10 years to make the first Arwen/Aragorn
meeting take place during Bilbo's trek, and then feature
Strider at Dol Guldur with the White Council and
his early adventures in Rohan and Gondor and below
Gondor (an exciting raid on the Harbor of Umbar
could be a feature). And hints of animosity between
that young lad Denethor and disguised Aragorn,
(with Gandalf around)?

Sauron the White · 02-11-2008, 10:27 AM

Tuor - that would be an excellent idea.

02-10-2008, 10:08 AM	#1
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	The silmarillion (including chunks from BoLT, UT and HoME) would be amazing. Especially the ones that don't include the Ainur (As that would spoil it a bit), welll, maybe Beren and Luthien (But except that , no AInur) __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

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Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	So, Boro, don't fancy sitting through three hours of Bilbo hiding from his neighbours with the tense point being the death of Frodo's parents? Nor me. The Star Wars analogy is spot on. What really troubles me is that the reader needs absolutely NO extra information than what Tolkien gave us in both The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings - he was saying "Move along, nothing to see here" and it worked. What's more, Jackson pulled off something very, very difficult in getting the 'prologue' scenes in Lord of the Rings to work, to convey all the information even the most casual viewer might need. There's just nothing to add in there and that's what rankles. __________________ Gordon's alive!

02-11-2008, 09:48 AM	#6
Tuor in Gondolin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Southeast Pennsylvania Posts: 3,651	Actually, (Hobbit II?) could be rather good if they made the theme Strider's Bio. You could fudge his age by 10 years to make the first Arwen/Aragorn meeting take place during Bilbo's trek, and then feature Strider at Dol Guldur with the White Council and his early adventures in Rohan and Gondor and below Gondor (an exciting raid on the Harbor of Umbar could be a feature). And hints of animosity between that young lad Denethor and disguised Aragorn, (with Gandalf around)? __________________ The poster formerly known as Tuor of Gondolin. Walking To Rivendell and beyond 12,555 miles passed Nt./Day 5: Pass the beacon on Nardol, the 'Fire Hill.'

02-11-2008, 10:27 AM	#7
Sauron the White Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 903	Tuor - that would be an excellent idea.