Hurin and despair

[The Saucepan Man]

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Much of what Mandos told them did not require the intervention of the Valar.

Although, of course, Hurin and his son did play their respective parts in the downfalls of Nargothrond and Gondolin. And their actions were not controlled or influenced by the Valar, although (in my theory at least) they were governed by fate.

So, I believe that it was a mixture of circumstance and Morgoth's influence.

Actually, I agree with you here. Morgoth's influence was there through the deployment of his forces, in particular Glaurung. But it is the combination of circumstances and Morgoth's intervention (through Glaurung) which I see as drawing them to their fate. Morgoth's direct intervention alone could not have acheived it.

[ May 22, 2003: Message edited by: The Saucepan Man ]