Admin Thread for WWXLV: The Fellowship of Saruman

[Nogrod]

I agree that is feels pretty nasty to see Gil go everytime so early... well not every time but pretty regularly. But this time I think there was a difference which was his insistence that he would only speak his mind the next Day. Now if we think that everyone would adopt the tactics saying "you should not lynch me toDay as I will speak toMorrow" it would obviously be a disaster for the game.

Had he been open with his supicions I probably would have voted Gwath instead of him... and that would have been good indeed... Sorry Gil.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Agan

And I wouldn't have trusted you half as much as I did, hadn't Lommy (who, I was sure, was innocent) done so.

Surely you should know better than to trust my judgement by now...

Originally Posted by Gil

If you must know Gandalf's suspicion list. Dain and Halbarad were both on it for traitors.

this is what, 7th game in which i have picked out 2 out of 3 wolves. i wonder when people are going to keep me around longer because my dumb luck seems to work everytime... i just watch what is said, wolves have a way with words that i detect almost right away...

le sigh... ol' mis-understood Gil...

Well, it would have been fine had you not started to threaten me... Seriously though, I must agree with what Nog said about your tactics. But better luck and better strategies (from both my and your part) next time, I hope...

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Ah, sorry, I was merely continuing on the subject of the sentence. Not even sure about English, but in Czech a Ranger would be he. Although, if I wrote in Czech, I would write "rangeress" or how should it be told, so that would be again "she", but clearly...

Ah! these silly languages which need to make a distinction between sexes...

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Surely you should know better than to trust my judgement by now...

I might have ignored the fact that Groin looked quite innocent and kept pursuing him with my weak day 1 reasons, hadn't you said it aloud.

[Gwathagor]

Any ideas on how to be a better werewolf, should I have the misfortune to be cast in such a role again in the future?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Any ideas on how to be a better werewolf, should I have the misfortune to be cast in such a role again in the future?

Yes: Do not write to Sally "DON'T quote me! We are NOT on speaking terms." when the game is still running, because one who reads it will conclude either that A) she is not a fellow Wolf, logically, because you blame her for your lynching, B) she is a fellow Wolf, but in any case she lynched you and you don't like it, so it was not part of any wolfy plan - both these variants leak out information outside the game, and this is why you should not talk about the running game at all outside the game until it is completed - or C) eventually you are bluffing, because it was part of a plan, but that would be even worse, because that's, in a way, cheating.

[Nogrod]

It's hard to say how to be a better werewolf as both the personal styles of playing and the combination of other players seem to produce a bit different dynamic every time. I mean I have been an excellent werewolf (like in the last game where we all three stayed alive and butchered the whole village) but also a lousy one (being lynched on Day1). I'm not sure how those things happened other that they were a combination of adjusting or not being able to adjust to the present game and trying to see the way through it.

But if you want a catch-phrase then try this: be yourself even if you are a baddie, speak and act like you would do were you your innocent self. It's hard sometimes - most of the times - to be sure... and it doesn't even always pay off.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I agree that is feels pretty nasty to see Gil go everytime so early... well not every time but pretty regularly. But this time I think there was a difference which was his insistence that he would only speak his mind the next Day. Now if we think that everyone would adopt the tactics saying "you should not lynch me toDay as I will speak toMorrow" it would obviously be a disaster for the game.

Had he been open with his supicions I probably would have voted Gwath instead of him... and that would have been good indeed... Sorry Gil.

Fair play. . . . It just seemed like a normal "lets get rid of Gil" day at the office, but I was mistaking.

Kind of like when Wayn The Goblin (cannot remember how it was spelled) used to play, he two was often removed from the game quite early. He said even less than Gil and I must admit that I voted for him several times in lack of better suspects.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Fair play. . . . It just seemed like a normal "lets get rid of Gil" day at the office, but I was mistaking.

Kind of like when Wayn The Goblin (cannot remember how it was spelled) used to play, he two was often removed from the game quite early. He said even less than Gil and I must admit that I voted for him several times in lack of better suspects.

the thing about first day, nobody truly has an idea of whose who except the wolves(to some extent). i remember how my first couple of WW games went like

Game 1: tried playing quiet and under radar. lynched day 1
Game 2: tried talking as much as possible and asking everyone questions. lynched day 1
Game 3: was busy all day, so no talking from me. lynched day 1. came back as hunter around end of game to replace the storm maiden(she has been gone too long).

what really got me frustrated was that every strategy i tried, it always got me lynched. made me want to give up WW for good seeing how i get no good games out of it. but i stuck by, and i had two great games. one where i was a werewolf and survived till end(taking dear nogrod down with me) and the other where i was glorfindel the hunter and killed a balrog with me. those games are few and rare now a days...

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

be yourself even if you are a baddie, speak and act like you would do were you your innocent self. It's hard sometimes - most of the times - to be sure... and it doesn't even always pay off.

Too true...

Though, it is better than playing so out of your element that you practically hand yourself over to people as a scapegoat. It is good to experiment sometimes, but you just have to find your comfort zone once you do, and always realize that people are naturally going to be a bit crazy in WW when they need a vote.

It just happens, most predictably on the first day. Just don't let it go to your head and have fun at any little thing you can do before you leave, or win. I guess we all made that little mistake earlier and WW was almost banned for good, until we finally realized that hey, it's just a game. So don't forget that!

Okay, that's the only bit of advice I can give. Have fun and stay relatively 'sane' as you find what works best for you.

~ Ka

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Gil-Galad

the thing about first day, nobody truly has an idea of whose who except the wolves(to some extent). i remember how my first couple of WW games went like

Game 1: tried playing quiet and under radar. lynched day 1
Game 2: tried talking as much as possible and asking everyone questions. lynched day 1
Game 3: was busy all day, so no talking from me. lynched day 1. came back as hunter around end of game to replace the storm maiden(she has been gone too long).

what really got me frustrated was that every strategy i tried, it always got me lynched. made me want to give up WW for good seeing how i get no good games out of it. but i stuck by, and i had two great games. one where i was a werewolf and survived till end(taking dear nogrod down with me) and the other where i was glorfindel the hunter and killed a balrog with me. those games are few and rare now a days...

I cannot remember if I was playing or just following the game where you stuck around to the end, but actually that game is the exeption that confirms the rule about you and ww. . .

Anywasy Gil, I am sorry to say this, but even when you change your tactics there is little change to spot for us. .. (me) Even when you try to be vocal you still apear to be silent, I guess it has something to do with the way you write. . . But this is just my opinion, I might be totaly mistaking.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Rune Son of Bjarne

Anywasy Gil, I am sorry to say this, but even when you change your tactics there is little change to spot for us. .. (me) Even when you try to be vocal you still apear to be silent, I guess it has something to do with the way you write. . . But this is just my opinion, I might be totaly mistaking.

Hmmm... I agree. But there is a difference between a vocal and a silent Gil, I think. And Gil you were brilliant in the werebalrog-game.

Sally, I'm curious - did you have any specific reasons for picking the dreams you picked?

[Gil-Galad]

my playing style, how i describe it, is one of watching then deciding. the biggest mistakes in every WW game is acting to fast without fully thinking it over. i tried to preach that more in this game, but alas i got lynched for it too.

let me ask you this, which would you rather lynch?

a loud Gil that brings nothing to the discussion, just useless babble.

or

a collected Gil that talks when he should and tries not to give out random suspicions based on loose and broken examples.


i pretty much after every game i am always stating why i was lynched, i just want players to think before lynching me for the same reason every game...

[Gwathagor]

I'm sorry, Gil-galad. I wouldn't have voted for you if I had been innocent. First days are rubbish; it's almost useless to try to do anything constructive with them if you want to stay alive, which is actually all the first day is really about: survival. If you try to be helpful, they kill you.

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Lommie

Sally, I'm curious - did you have any specific reasons for picking the dreams you picked?

Not the first couple of nights, no. The first night I dreamt Noggie because....well, because I always have such a hard time reading him, and if there's anyone I wanted to know right away which side he was on, it was him.
The second night I decided to dream either Nerwen or Rune; why I ended up picking Rune I don't remember, but I'm glad I did because the Day dawned and Nerwen was dead.
After we killed poor Agan, I found Ka and Gwath equally suspicious, but I figured that Gwath had escaped my attention long enough, and lo and behold I found myself a traitor. And our lovely Miss Greenie took care of one for us of course, which was a big help.
I looked back at the voting the next night and figured Cabbie was an ordo because who in their right mind would sic their entire wolfpack on their packmate, especially when Cabbie had been doing really well and their antics could have gotten him killed? (I figured I could always dream him the next night if it became necessary) That left me with a Night 4 dream going to either you (Lommie) or Menel. At that point, I still had no suspicions of Groin at all. I decided since all my dream subjects had survived so far, I'd try to find an ordo rather than a wolf, and then it would be just a game of odds between Lommie and Groin and if we got the wrong one I'd probably get killed but the others could rectify my mistake the next Day. So I dreamt Menel as innocent and the rest you know.

[Thinlómien]

One day, Nogrod, Thinlómien, Aganzir and A Little Green decided to have a little fun with their characters...