Werewolf XLVI: Getting Back to Basics

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Another addittion. Btw I think it may be helpful if someone posted a voting list (I looked through it, but don't have time or nerves to put it together. I know, I'm lazy, but like I said, other work to do right now). But the late Gwath-voters (yes, even with Nogrod *sigh*) look better to me now. Unless there was a deliberate wolf-sacrificing action, which I don't think there was (although I'd like to look at peoples' arguments for voting Gwath, which may clear whether there's not some wolf hidden among them). Yes, I am noting this also for myself so that I don't forget Whatever. See you later.

[Thinlómien]

Volo? Why? Did he seem gifted or something? Or was he just quite innocent-considered, not-so-vocal player whose death would not leave so much tracks?

YesterDay's voting was mad... I have to have a look at it at some phase, but not now, when I'm going to sleep.

I'm still suspicious of Nogrod and less suspicious of Legate because he has decreased his suspicion of Nogrod. If he was a wolf, I think he would continue the same "handy" suspicion. This is, unless they are fellow wolves, which is something I don't consider impossible.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Volo? Why? Did he seem gifted or something? Or was he just quite innocent-considered, not-so-vocal player whose death would not leave so much tracks?

Personally I think there was his self-vote which some considered innocentish, but mainly he was among Gwath-voters and also he interacted with him (or Gwath with him, respectively) the way that it could have been concluded that they are not peers, so after Gwath was lynched, Volo could have been one of the subjects possible to get out of the way. Nog was suspected by me and you; Sally... I really don't know why she wasn't killed... but maybe to puzzle us, to ask exactly this and suspect her of being a wolf... that would mean the wolf is someone clever... because I seriously find that hard to think that she is a wolf, after what she did yesterday. Also Gwath once a little interacted with her (it's quoted even in my post above) a little bit negatively. Oddwen voted first, that wasn't that apparent. Volo was simply the second vote, the one which makes the bandwagon not just one random vote, but which makes it rolling. Or so I see it.

As for votes: thanks, Sally. Now I'd wonder if Oddwolf would have started a Gwathwagon in the first place, as there was suspicion against him. Dangerous?

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Another addittion. Btw I think it may be helpful if someone posted a voting list (I looked through it, but don't have time or nerves to put it together. I know, I'm lazy, but like I said, other work to do right now). But the late Gwath-voters (yes, even with Nogrod *sigh*) look better to me now. Unless there was a deliberate wolf-sacrificing action, which I don't think there was (although I'd like to look at peoples' arguments for voting Gwath, which may clear whether there's not some wolf hidden among them). Yes, I am noting this also for myself so that I don't forget Whatever. See you later.

In regards to the request for a voting list: Give me like 20 minutes. I need to type it on here and make sure I got all the votes and times and things right. But I'd be happy to.

[satansaloser2005]

Day One Votes:
Volo-->Volo at 5:32am
Lhuna -->Gwath at 2:01pm
Kath -->Legate at 4:42
Nerwen -->Lhuna at 5:37pm
Gwath -->Lhuna at 5:52pm
Mith -->Noggie at 6:37pm
Noggie -->Lhuna at 6:52pm
Elf -->Agan at 6:56pm
Lommie -->Gwath at 6:59pm
Agan -->Legate at 6:59pm
No voters: Legate, Oddie, Sally

Day Two Votes:
Kath -->Noggie at 11:30pm
Oddie -->Gwath at 2:39pm
Gwath -->Legate at 6:53pm
Mith -->Noggie at 6:56pm
Lommie-->Noggie at 6:56pm
Legate -->Noggie at 6:56pm
Volo -->Gwath at 6:57pm
Noggie -->Gwath at 6:58pm
Sally -->Gwath at 6:58pm
No voters: Elf, Nerwen


There they are!

EDIT: Sorry, put them all in my time zone! Fixed now, though!


EDIT AGAIN: I decided to note the known innocents and known wolf, just in case it helps anyone else. I color code for myself, but sadly that's not an option on the board I guess.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I see this is going to end the typical way: almost no posts this far and when I awaken in the morning, there will be a host to read Anyway, I read though Gwathagor's posts. Concerning people, after I read it all, I really don't believe Nogrod is another wolf, unless it was all a plan from him, because Gwath I'd think won't do such a thing to go after packmate Nog the way he did. Just look at almost any post of Gwath's, and he places Nog there into the same line with the ones who are dead.

UNLESS... now looking at the voting list... Gwath in fact voted for me! So may it be that he did not want to vote for Nog because he was a fellow wolf? Possibly? But then, there are indeed many arguments against. Hmm... not sure.

Otherwise: the track is complete, technically all whom Gwath accused, have been dead later. Odd. Anyway, he mostly mentioned all people, negatively, except for a few; and I think a Wolf may be there, at best among those whom he did not mention at all.

He very little mentioned Nerwen, just here:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Excuse me? When did I do that? But at least you preemptively acknowledged that you also are "chiming in" with other people (in this case Nogrod). That's good. Acknowledging your own suspiciousness is always a good ploy for averting further suspicion. (Ha!)

Then also Oddwen, with whom I'd say it looks worse, i.e. more probable that she were another wolf. Also similar times he mentions Elf Warrior:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Now look...I feel the same way about Oddwen's post, as she is just mimicking me and I think a couple others (?). That looks suspicious because repeating someone else is such an obviously safe move. However, Nogrod, you were awfully quick to identify my post as "wolvish"? (etc., speaking to Nog then)

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

I want to hear more from Oddwen and The Elf Warrior. We have lynched people for silence in the past...and we could do it again. Of course, silence usually is the safest defense.

Does anyone thing the formulation is odd? The last sentence does not logically fit in there, does it? It looks like praising silence??? Maybe a wolf hint to a friend among these two - "stay silent, that's the best defense"? Or how do you read it? I find that improbable and maybe I am reading too much to it (maybe a writing mischmatch), but it simply is odd.

To sally:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

What case? Be more specific, please, and I'll do my best to oblige. I haven't seen any serious arguments or evidence leveled against me, but you seem pretty happy to seize on Oddwen's vote and call it a case - and THAT looks fuzzy, because you've been even less involved than Oddwen.

This is his other mentioning of Oddwen. Now I'm not sure whether he'd use a fellow wolf as an example, but it may be an attempt of defense.

And last, there is this:

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Oddwen looks the worst of the quiet to me - but you all seem to be convinced that Lhuna found her innocent? To me, her sparse, non-involved voting/posting pattern seems like that of either a scavenging wolf or an irresponsible innocent.

This may be a time for trying to seem like arising a wolf-on-wolf suspicion, yet backing from it immediately because "the others are convinced she's innocent".

His handling of Nog, sally and Lommy seems too dangerous to me to think that any of these would be a fellow wolf.

As far as I know, he did not mention Mith nor Kath at all.

Nerwen, Oddwen, The Elf-warrior are the others who remain. One (or more eventually, if there's more wolves) of them may be his fellow packmate.

I think I should read what others say of Gwath. Maybe I will do Kath yet today, it should be fast with her.

[Nogrod]

The icehockey game between the US and Canada was just marvellous entertainment even if the better team lost.

With this game then...

Sorry but I'm too tired to think right now.

Still, even if I know this got me nearly lynched yesterDay I'd say watch for Lommy though. I - don't - like - the - way - she- behaves.

Legate: have I missed something or why do you think the wolves should have killed Sally?

Also, if Oddwen is a wolf she is really bold as it was clear - well at least I thought it was clear - that Gwath was one having a lot of suspicion on him and so a possible lynch-candidate... and with this many of us still alive I don't think the wolves would particularly wish to reduce their precious numbers this early in exchange for credibility.

EDIT: X'd with Oddwen's novel... back tomorrow (RL)

[satansaloser2005]

Originally Posted by Noggie

Legate: have I missed something or why do you think the wolves should have killed Sally?

Most likely because I tied the voting between you and Gwath. To be honest, I thought I'd be dead too. *shifty eyes* Not that I'm complaining.


P.S. Did we beat 'em? Not that I particularly care, but it provides further distraction from the tasks at hand.... :P

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Legate: have I missed something or why do you think the wolves should have killed Sally?

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Most likely because I tied the voting between you and Gwath.

Yes, that was it. Unless the wolves were Gwath-Nog-Sally and yesterday it'd be a brutal sacrifice. But not that I'd believe it much probable.

Originally Posted by Nog

Also, if Oddwen is a wolf she is really bold as it was clear - well at least I thought it was clear - that Gwath was one having a lot of suspicion on him and so a possible lynch-candidate... and with this many of us still alive I don't think the wolves would particularly wish to reduce their precious numbers this early in exchange for credibility.

Oh my, I'm inclined to clear him based on how Gwath behaved towards him and all, and now look he again ACTS so STRANGE... just what's going on with you Nog? You are too... reckless! Normally you are not that easy to jump on someone like that!

But now really, good night.

[satansaloser2005]

Stop posting and go to bed, Legate!

Okay, I'm off to (hopefully) do some analysis, after some haphazardly done course work. Back later with a reply.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

Most likely because I tied the voting between you and Gwath.

So? I still don't see the point...

And a word of caution to my suggestion of watching Lommy: the voting records just caught my eye. Lommy voted for Gwath on Day1 as the second last voter (one minute before the DL) bringing him one vote away from Lhuna. In the end there were three people who didn't vote that Day but I'd say that would be really bold move from a fellow-wolf because she couldn't know who would vote and whom! I'll take that as an argument on her favour. It would just have been a bit too risky.

So needs to think things once again from almost the beginnings... tomorrow.

EDIT X'd with Sally & Legate... reckless? jumping on someone? Sorry but I didn't get that one either...

[satansaloser2005]

....

As in, I voted for Gwath, therefore making it fairly certain he'd be the lynchee.

That's not why I'm surprised I wasn't killed though. I've just been a lot more normal(ish) this game and so the wolves didn't need to keep me around to stir up trouble like usual. I don't know. There has to be SOME reason why they'd kill Volo....I just need to figure it out.