Character Trivia - Page 18 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-30-2008, 07:11 AM

Oh yes, I know. "I wasn't long the apprentice of old Holman (he was the cousin of my father's)" or something like that (I don't know the quote in original, but the name should be it)

Nerwen · 03-30-2008, 07:38 AM

You have it.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 03-30-2008, 09:02 AM

All right, something interesting. Name an Orc who actually spoke aloud some thoughts concerning the metaphysical nature of the M-E universe.

And I would like at least some backup of your guess (or even actual quote, but that's not necessary, just a brief outline will do), not just a name, as I would consider that just a blind shot and not count it.

Gollum the Great · 04-02-2008, 01:27 PM

Is this a trick question?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-02-2008, 02:08 PM

What do you call "trick"? No, it is not. It is a normal question, one Orc indeed did it.

Gollum the Great · 04-03-2008, 02:10 PM

Is this in LOTR?

Eönwë · 04-04-2008, 12:16 AM

Yes, but sadly I can't remember the name now

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-04-2008, 04:10 AM

Try to search - there's not that many Orcs in Tolkien's works after all, at least not many who speak and could get into such deep discussions

Gollum the Great · 04-22-2008, 05:08 PM

Finrod Felagund, in the Orc guise and transformation spell after being questioned by Sauron

Nerwen · 04-22-2008, 08:12 PM

Is it Gorbag?

He says that the Nazgûl

Quote:

"...skin the body off you as soon as look at you, and leave you all cold in the dark on the other side."

showing that he knows about the spirit-world.

He also discusses the set-up with Shagrat– though I should call it more political than metaphysical:

Quote:

"As I said, the Big Bosses, ay," his voice sank almost to a whisper, "ay even the Biggest, can make mistakes (...) And we've got to look out. Always the poor Uruks to put things to rights, and small thanks. But don't forget: the enemies don't love us any more than they love Him, and if they get topsides on Him, we're done too."

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-23-2008, 02:29 AM

Yes, the first one with the "other side" is what I meant. Your turn, Nerwen. Well done!

Gollum the Great · 04-26-2008, 10:48 PM

Mine was sort of right

Legate of Amon Lanc · 04-27-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Mine was sort of right

Could be, but not sure whether he really spoke about metaphysical things. But mainly, it was not the question I had in mind. However, Nerwen should show up soon, and if she doesn't show up in the limit, you are eventually allowed to continue with the thread.

Nerwen · 04-27-2008, 10:56 AM

And here she is.

Who greatly prized the iron that came from the Mine of Anghabar?

Gollum the Great · 04-27-2008, 11:22 AM

Maeglin son of Eol the Dark Elf loved that metal

Nerwen · 04-27-2008, 07:37 PM

Yes, he did.

Your turn.

Gollum the Great · 04-29-2008, 05:06 PM

We rockses!

Hang on....

Gollum the Great · 05-01-2008, 10:33 AM

This shouldn't be too difficult.

Who was almost slain after chasing after a woman?

Gollum the Great · 05-05-2008, 06:27 PM

Anyone in the graveyard?

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-06-2008, 04:51 AM

*sigh* I didn't want to start that... but you probably mean Andróg?

Azaghâl · 05-06-2008, 07:29 AM

That is the only name I could come up with as well. I kept my mouth shut because to say he was "almost slain" seems a bit far-fetched.

From the Narn:
"But as he stood looking down in amaze at the blood [of Forweg] upon the grass, Androg came out, and halted also astounded. 'Evil work, Neithan!' he cried, and drew his sword; but Turin's mood ran cold, [...]."

Gollum the Great · 05-06-2008, 07:59 AM

Right

Please continue, fellow phantom.

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-06-2008, 08:21 AM

All right...

...something simple...

...what about: who hid himself in abandoned dwarven mines? (Please read well what I say. The mines were already abandoned when that one came there!)

The Might · 05-06-2008, 09:46 AM

Aha, it was Arvedui

Legate of Amon Lanc · 05-06-2008, 10:03 AM

Oh, seems my activity awakened even Miggy... or summoned him from long sleep...

Quite, of course, how would it be possible for you not to get it right?

Take the thread, please!

The Might · 05-07-2008, 06:49 AM

Yeah, a bit like the dwarves do with the Balrog you manage to disturb me from time to time enough so that I finally make a post in here.
Hmmm... must think of a good character question...

Ok... name me the spouse of she, who could have been queen.

Eönwë · 05-07-2008, 09:44 AM

Is this from lotr? (I don't think it is, but you never know)

Gollum the Great · 05-07-2008, 09:51 AM

Hmmmmm....
If you mean the ruling queen, I'll go with Ar-Pharazon the Golden.

Azaghâl · 05-07-2008, 01:34 PM

And I'd go with Arvedui again, this time as Firiel's husband.

The Might · 05-08-2008, 09:11 AM

Both wrong.

Azaghâl · 05-08-2008, 11:39 AM

Could it be Tar-Aldarion then?

The Might · 05-09-2008, 06:02 AM

No

Azaghâl · 05-10-2008, 02:22 AM

Well, another idea then, could Idril have been a Queen in Gondolin, say if Turgon had been killed in the Nirnaeth?

The Might · 05-12-2008, 01:28 AM

No, also not.
Tip: what I mean is this person's wife would have become queen in another time

Azaghâl · 05-12-2008, 01:52 AM

Not sure exactly what "another time" is supposed to mean but, Elatan of Andunië?

Morthoron · 05-15-2008, 08:54 PM

It was Silmarien who did not succeed her father, Tar-Elendil. The laws of Numenorean succession were later changed, allowing first-born daughters to rule as queens. In any case, Silmarien begat a line of Kings in her own right, for it was from her that the Lords of Andunie would eventually become Kings of Gondor and Arnor.

Oh yeah, and I almost forgot, she married Elatan -- which I guess would be the answer.

The Might · 05-16-2008, 09:17 AM

Well done Morthoron, good explanation but Azaghâl beat you to it.
So, Azaghâl, pos a new one!

Azaghâl · 05-18-2008, 04:51 AM

I'll try to think of something. If anyone has an idea before I do, please feel free to take the thread.

Nerwen · 06-15-2008, 08:55 AM

*bump*

Azaghâl?

Nilpaurion Felagund · 06-18-2008, 12:59 AM

It's been more than a month, I guess someone else can take it right now.

No, not me! Do not tempt me!

03-30-2008, 07:11 AM	#681
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Oh yes, I know. "I wasn't long the apprentice of old Holman (he was the cousin of my father's)" or something like that (I don't know the quote in original, but the name should be it) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

03-30-2008, 07:38 AM	#682
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	You have it. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

03-30-2008, 09:02 AM	#683
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	All right, something interesting. Name an Orc who actually spoke aloud some thoughts concerning the metaphysical nature of the M-E universe. And I would like at least some backup of your guess (or even actual quote, but that's not necessary, just a brief outline will do), not just a name, as I would consider that just a blind shot and not count it. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-02-2008, 02:08 PM	#685
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	What do you call "trick"? No, it is not. It is a normal question, one Orc indeed did it. __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-03-2008, 02:10 PM	#686
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Is this in LOTR? Last edited by Gollum the Great; 04-03-2008 at 02:13 PM.

04-02-2008, 01:27 PM	#684
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Is this a trick question?

04-04-2008, 12:16 AM	#687
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Yes, but sadly I can't remember the name now __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place

04-04-2008, 04:10 AM	#688
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Try to search - there's not that many Orcs in Tolkien's works after all, at least not many who speak and could get into such deep discussions __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-22-2008, 05:08 PM	#689
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Finrod Felagund, in the Orc guise and transformation spell after being questioned by Sauron

04-23-2008, 02:29 AM	#691
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Yes, the first one with the "other side" is what I meant. Your turn, Nerwen. Well done! __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

04-26-2008, 10:48 PM	#692
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Mine was sort of right

04-27-2008, 10:56 AM	#694
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	And here she is. Who greatly prized the iron that came from the Mine of Anghabar? __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

04-27-2008, 11:22 AM	#695
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Maeglin son of Eol the Dark Elf loved that metal

04-27-2008, 07:37 PM	#696
Nerwen Wisest of the Noldor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ˙˙˙ssɐןƃ ƃuıʞooן ǝɥʇ ɥƃnoɹɥʇ Posts: 6,694	Yes, he did. Your turn. __________________ "Even Nerwen wasn't evil in the beginning." –Elmo.

04-29-2008, 05:06 PM	#697
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	We rockses! Hang on.... __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

05-01-2008, 10:33 AM	#698
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	This shouldn't be too difficult. Who was almost slain after chasing after a woman? __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

05-05-2008, 06:27 PM	#699
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Anyone in the graveyard? __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

05-06-2008, 04:51 AM	#700
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	sigh I didn't want to start that... but you probably mean Andróg? __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-06-2008, 07:29 AM	#701
Azaghâl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	That is the only name I could come up with as well. I kept my mouth shut because to say he was "almost slain" seems a bit far-fetched. From the Narn: "But as he stood looking down in amaze at the blood [of Forweg] upon the grass, Androg came out, and halted also astounded. 'Evil work, Neithan!' he cried, and drew his sword; but Turin's mood ran cold, [...]."

05-06-2008, 07:59 AM	#702
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Right Please continue, fellow phantom. __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

05-06-2008, 08:21 AM	#703
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	All right... ...something simple... ...what about: who hid himself in abandoned dwarven mines? (Please read well what I say. The mines were already abandoned when that one came there!) __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-06-2008, 09:46 AM	#704
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Aha, it was Arvedui __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-06-2008, 10:03 AM	#705
Legate of Amon Lanc A Voice That Gainsayeth Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In that far land beyond the Sea Posts: 7,431	Oh, seems my activity awakened even Miggy... or summoned him from long sleep... Quite, of course, how would it be possible for you not to get it right? Take the thread, please! __________________ "Should the story say 'he ate bread,' the dramatic producer can only show 'a piece of bread' according to his taste or fancy, but the hearer of the story will think of bread in general and picture it in some form of his own." -On Fairy-Stories

05-07-2008, 06:49 AM	#706
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Yeah, a bit like the dwarves do with the Balrog you manage to disturb me from time to time enough so that I finally make a post in here. Hmmm... must think of a good character question... Ok... name me the spouse of she, who could have been queen. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-07-2008, 09:44 AM	#707
Eönwë Flame Imperishable Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Right here Posts: 3,928	Is this from lotr? (I don't think it is, but you never know) __________________ Welcome to the Barrow Do-owns Forum / Such a lovely place Last edited by Eönwë; 05-07-2008 at 01:55 PM.

05-07-2008, 09:51 AM	#708
Gollum the Great Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The Pinnacle of my own might Posts: 386	Hmmmmm.... If you mean the ruling queen, I'll go with Ar-Pharazon the Golden. __________________ 'It just shows you how true it is that one-half the world doesn't knows how the other three-quarters lives.' Bertie, The Code of the Woosters, by P. G. Wodewouse

05-07-2008, 01:34 PM	#709
Azaghâl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	And I'd go with Arvedui again, this time as Firiel's husband.

05-08-2008, 09:11 AM	#710
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Both wrong. __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-08-2008, 11:39 AM	#711
Azaghâl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	Could it be Tar-Aldarion then? Last edited by Azaghâl; 05-08-2008 at 12:09 PM.

05-09-2008, 06:02 AM	#712
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	No __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-10-2008, 02:22 AM	#713
Azaghâl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	Well, another idea then, could Idril have been a Queen in Gondolin, say if Turgon had been killed in the Nirnaeth? Last edited by Azaghâl; 05-10-2008 at 02:35 AM.

05-12-2008, 01:28 AM	#714
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	No, also not. Tip: what I mean is this person's wife would have become queen in another time __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown

05-12-2008, 01:52 AM	#715
Azaghâl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	Not sure exactly what "another time" is supposed to mean but, Elatan of Andunië?

05-15-2008, 08:54 PM	#716
Morthoron Curmudgeonly Wordwraith Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ensconced in curmudgeonly pursuits Posts: 2,515	It was Silmarien who did not succeed her father, Tar-Elendil. The laws of Numenorean succession were later changed, allowing first-born daughters to rule as queens. In any case, Silmarien begat a line of Kings in her own right, for it was from her that the Lords of Andunie would eventually become Kings of Gondor and Arnor. Oh yeah, and I almost forgot, she married Elatan -- which I guess would be the answer. __________________ And your little sister's immaculate virginity wings away on the bony shoulders of a young horse named George who stole surreptitiously into her geography revision. Last edited by Morthoron; 05-15-2008 at 09:01 PM.

05-16-2008, 09:17 AM	#717
The Might Guard of the Citadel Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Oxon Posts: 2,205	Well done Morthoron, good explanation but Azaghâl beat you to it. So, Azaghâl, pos a new one! __________________ “The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.” Delos B. McKown