Dueling Wizards Werewolf II discussion thread

[Roa_Aoife]

This town is shaping up to be a matriarchy. I want to be a part that massive conglomeration, too. Rikae, will you be my sister? *big puppy eyes* Please?

We can make up a story about how we were always so close despite you being the tom boy and me being the nerd, and we decided to travel the world together, and ultimately settled in this little town, where we married two men who apparently don't have jobs.....

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Volo

Actually, I'm your grandfather.

You're Nog, Nerwen and Lalaith's father, aren't you?

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

You're Nog, Nerwen and Lalaith's father, aren't you?

The way I understand, Nog is Nerwen and Lalaith's father (your greatgrandfather. Or that's from his chart on page 3 which I really liked. If that is not the case, I'm quite confused.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Volo

The way I understand, Nog is Nerwen and Lalaith's father (your greatgrandfather. Or that's from his chart on page 3 which I really liked. If that is not the case, I'm quite confused.

I think it was changed to Nog being their brother.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

I think it was changed to Nog being their brother.

Oukei, so in that case I'm his grandfather.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by mormegil

Any approximate on starting dates?

The approximate I have talked of earlier was May 30th to 31st - beginning with a Night phase. So that makes it something like ten days from now.

I'll be home late Sunday-evening and will start drawing things together in the beginning of next week. We have now something like 24 players. We'd do well with a couple more even if the game can be played fine with this number of players. But if you have someone in mind please call them to join. I will do some calling next week if the number of players has stayed the same as I get home from my trip.

I'll look at the family trees as well then.


I do agree with many here that the wizard's minions should need a license from their wizard to PM together. Also I see Roa's argument on the GW not being able to "scry-protect" her gifteds quite persuasive.

Keep on bringing up any issues that come to mind and commenting on those already discussed. I'll be working out the more detailed rules next week so until then all points will be considered.

[Gwathagor]

I eagerly await the formalized rules, when all shall be made clear and order created out of the chaos.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Volo

Oukei, so in that case I'm his grandfather.

I thought you were a ca- I mean, a dog? Or has your sudden canine transformation reversed?

Anyways, I'm still rather confused. If Volo is Nogrod's grandfather, then Roa's children would be our aunts and uncle from before or now our cousins (or by hobbit standards, possibly)?
Though, I think Nogrod will be able to clear up his relation in another family tree. Hopefully.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Nice to see you The Ka to comfirm

Awh, well, I couldn't leave Aganzir sisterless.

Originally Posted by Roa

It should also be noted that the hunter has a long and proud history of killing the seer.

I'm actually rather curious how that is going to work out in this game, say, if the EW finds the seer before our hunter does, etc.

I'm going to have to agree with Roa on the abilities of the GW. It doesn't leave much unpredictibility to the game if either way a gifted or a wolf has a greater chance of automatically changing sides. We'd still lose wolves and gifteds, but the ordos would win with a greater advantage by majority in numbers alone. I know, they're "supposed" to win, but still... Think of the wolves too...

~Ka

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, so if Rikae and I are sisters, and Nogrod is the bother of Lalaith and Nerwen, and Volo is their father, then the only family NOT connected to everyone else is Morm and Celuien and their children, Gwathagor and McCaber.

You might want to find a way to connect, there. Outsiders get lynched first. Just looking at my corrected chart, it would be easiest if Morm or Celuien was related to Cailin.

Also, who here is still considered a child or teenager? If I'm going to be a school teacher, then I want to know who my students are.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

You might want to find a way to connect, there. Outsiders get lynched first. Just looking at my corrected chart, it would be easiest if Morm or Celuien was related to Cailin.

Yeah, sounds like we'd better figure something out.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Also, who here is still considered a child or teenager? If I'm going to be a school teacher, then I want to know who my students are.

I'm phantom's little sister. As in not yet old enough to have a boyfriend/husband/job. I think I'm a pre-teen.

Yeah, that sounds good.

So I guess you're my teacher and aunt.

This is one complicated family tree.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Also, who here is still considered a child or teenager? If I'm going to be a school teacher, then I want to know who my students are.

I'm 15, or maybe a year or two younger. I attend your classes when I don't have any better things to do.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

Yeah, sounds like we'd better figure something out.

Just figure it the hobbit way, you're distant cousins from Bree, twice removed on our great-grandfather's mother's aunt's side. It's such a bloody confusing relation that you were just assimulated into the immediate family as a strength in numbers motto to get back at those Proudfeet...

I'm going to let Lalaith take liberties with my age, since I don't want to make an age insult of a lady. (If you really want, I'm completely fine with anything that has coherent speaking and up, meaning, from about five years. Don't worry about working age, I delibertly picked a job that a child could easily do).

~ Ka

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, here's my latest chart update for all the family connections, with status as child, adult, and elder labeled for those that I know for certain. (I assumed that Kath and Brinn were adults since they were already life partners.)

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Roa

then the only family NOT connected to everyone else is Morm and Celuien and their children, Gwathagor and McCaber.

But if we do as I suggested earlier and into which morm indirectly agreed ("I'll be where I'm needed") then he should be my brother and also Volo's adult child. In that way we have two "grand families" approximately the same size in the vilage which I think is good.

About the starting date. Rikae and Mac wished the game would start on June 1st. And now as I look at my last days at school I'm bending to think likewise myself.

So if no one has anything against it we might make a deal that the game begins on June the 1st at 11PM GMT with a Night phase.

All those who have announced their willingness to be a wizard to me should make some considerations as to who to pick as their first scries. I will make a lottery on wizards about one or two days before the game starts so that the wizards can get ready and if they send me their lists of choises well beforehand I can then PM both them and their minions when the game begins so as to maximise the time on Night1.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Okay, here's my latest chart update for all the family connections, with status as child, adult, and elder labeled for those that I know for certain. (I assumed that Kath and Brinn were adults since they were already life partners.)

Umm... No. I'm Noggie, Nerwen and Lalaith's grandfather, not father.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Volo

Umm... No. I'm Noggie, Nerwen and Lalaith's grandfather, not father.

No offense, but why?

[Eönwë]

Can I join in this?

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

But if we do as I suggested earlier and into which morm indirectly agreed ("I'll be where I'm needed") then he should be my brother and also Volo's adult child. In that way we have two "grand families" approximately the same size in the vilage which I think is good.

That would really work out to keeping the families all relative. Might make for a rather tight household (assuming that, being a 'traditional' village we live with our parents homes or with our spouses' parents, etc for economic and family reasons), but oh well it'll lead to a rather 'cabbin fever' game of WW.

Originally Posted by Volo

Umm... No. I'm Noggie, Nerwen and Lalaith's grandfather, not father.

Okay, then who's the missing link?

~ Ka

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Okay, here's my latest chart update for all the family connections, with status as child, adult, and elder labeled for those that I know for certain. (I assumed that Kath and Brinn were adults since they were already life partners.)

Is Brinn actually married? And if so, then she probably would be the "elder sister" of us three, which would remove the polarity two sisters vs. one brother unless I were let's say the youngest (well not that I care, it was their idea, not mine). But if she is not, then don't forget I am dating Sally... so I don't know from what time you label people as "adult", in any case don't forget I have a herd to care of; even a teenager can do that, however still I think then at least one of us, phantom or me, should be either at least 20, or both of us being at least around 18. Personally I think 18 or so would be the optimal age for me.

Originally Posted by THE Ka

Okay, then who's the missing link?

Australopithecus.

[Volo]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

No offense, but why?

I guess I can't give a better answer than "why not?". Originally because Noggie was in the way of me being the father.

Originally Posted by THE Ka

Okay, then who's the missing link?

Probably this person. How would I know... Maybe a great big nasty wolf...

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Is Brinn actually married? And if so, then she probably would be the "elder sister" of us three, which would remove the polarity two sisters vs. one brother unless I were let's say the youngest (well not that I care, it was their idea, not mine). But if she is not, then don't forget I am dating Sally... so I don't know from what time you label people as "adult", in any case don't forget I have a herd to care of; even a teenager can do that, however still I think then at least one of us, phantom or me, should be either at least 20, or both of us being at least around 18. Personally I think 18 or so would be the optimal age for me.

the phantom and I are supposedly engaged, so I guess you should be younger than him.

Australopithecus.

Don't forget the italics!

[Mithalwen]

I am expecting this to be a RPG of epic length .... given that I think we have had games significantly shorter than this thread

[Lalaith]

I will be ready to play on June 1st, but I'm going away tomorrow and will in all probability be internetless until the following Saturday. Don't worry if I seem to have disappeared.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

For me: The earlier, the better. Like I said before, it is going right through my exams anyway, so it will be fun no doubt; oh, stress, how I love thee. And then, as soon as my exams end, I am leaving. So 1st June is perfect.

[Roa_Aoife]

Weren't Gwath and McCaber trying to date Aganzir? In that case, I don't think it would be a good idea for Morm to be Nogrod's brother... unless we're that kind of village.

Kitanna is my baby!!!!! (only the youngest, not an actual baby)

I'm going to assume Legate and sally are (older) teenagers, like Agan and Diamond, and so children for the purposes of my chart.

I expect to see you in class, young man! You can help Phantom after you're done with your homework.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Weren't Gwath and McCaber trying to date Aganzir? In that case, I don't think it would be a good idea for Morm to be Nogrod's brother... unless we're that kind of village.

And another cousin of mine is my ex.

It might prove a hard task to fix the family relations so that all kind of incest is avoided, and at least to me it doesn't really matter anyway. After all, I'm the daughter of the black sheep.

[the phantom]

unless we're that kind of village

Hey now, it's a small village, so there aren't that many options outside of the family. When you give the kids the option of "You can date your cousin or no one at all" you figure eventually they'll rationalize the cousin option.

I'm just glad I didn't have to do that. At least I don't think I did. *checks family chart* Nope, I'm safe.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Legate

Is Brinn actually married? And if so, then she probably would be the "elder sister" of us three, which would remove the polarity two sisters vs. one brother unless I were let's say the youngest (well not that I care, it was their idea, not mine). But if she is not, then don't forget I am dating Sally... so I don't know from what time you label people as "adult", in any case don't forget I have a herd to care of; even a teenager can do that, however still I think then at least one of us, phantom or me, should be either at least 20, or both of us being at least around 18. Personally I think 18 or so would be the optimal age for me.

Nah, we're not actually married...but we do act like a married couple. Anyways, I don't imagine myself to be very old...even if married, people do get married at a young age. I mentioned it before but I think Kath and me should probably be around our RL ages...so something like 19-21. Kitanna's my twin so she's whatever age I end up being. Legate, you were originally our older brother...but have you changed your mind and decided to be younger? Either way works for me. Though I must admit, I found the idea that a 15-year-old Aganzir used to date a 20-something Legate rather amusing.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

It might prove a hard task to fix the family relations so that all kind of incest is avoided, and at least to me it doesn't really matter anyway. After all, I'm the daughter of the black sheep.

Well, we could all just pretend we're from Alabama where apparently incestuous marriages are legal.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Roa_Aoife

Weren't Gwath and McCaber trying to date Aganzir? In that case, I don't think it would be a good idea for Morm to be Nogrod's brother... unless we're that kind of village.

Oh yeeeaaah.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Though I must admit, I found the idea that a 15-year-old Aganzir used to date a 20-something Legate rather amusing.

Me too.

Originally Posted by Brinn

Well, we could all just pretend we're from Alabama where apparently incestuous marriages are legal.

I think marrying one's cousin is legal even in Finland.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Can I join in this?

I suppose you can. Now you should just pick yourself an occupation and get some family members if you wish. Also it might be useful to skim through this thread, though complete rules will probably be posted somewhere before the game starts.

[Roa_Aoife]

Okay, my new, improved, corrected, and waaaaaaaay too complicated family chart. (Volo, I left in the father position because I didn't feel like finagling another row into there.)

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Hey now, it's a small village, so there aren't that many options outside of the family.

Well, we always could go raiding into another village and kidnap some husbands. Y'know, pillaging, the world's original Club Med.

... I think I'll take my pack of feral canines out and hunt down a mate instead.

Originally Posted by Volo

Maybe a great big nasty wolf...

I'm cool with that ancestry, and Lucy.

I still have no clue what my age should be, but I'm stuck with either nine or some older age.

So, to make it easy, I've forgotten my age and no one seems to remember my birthday. Makes things easier to manage I guess. I just, am. There.

~ Ka

[Gwathagor]

I realize that you probably don't want to change this on the chart, Roa, but just so everyone knows, I am not a child. I am at least 20. A child-highwayman would be way too bizarre as well a dreadful puzzle for the therapists.

EDIT: Oh...perhaps "child" is meant as a genealogical label rather than a description of age.

[Roa_Aoife]

Sorry, Gwath, by child I mean 18 or younger. You know, school age. I'll change it eventually, but first I'll wait to see if there are any other changes to make.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Anyways, I don't imagine myself to be very old...even if married, people do get married at a young age. I mentioned it before but I think Kath and me should probably be around our RL ages...so something like 19-21. Kitanna's my twin so she's whatever age I end up being. Legate, you were originally our older brother...but have you changed your mind and decided to be younger?

I did not! That was actually Roa who brought that up, for reasons unknown to me. I have no problem with being eventually a younger brother, though. Seemingly, given that Aganzir-thing and also Sally, of whom I have no idea how old she is (or I thought between 15 and 20 but nowadays I am not sure of anything anymore), I shouldn't be 20 probably. I said 18 or such. 15 is maybe too little. But whatever. Just the heck tell me how old the other people who concern me are and I can decide whichever way.

Speaking of that, people, I think we are going to have enough with who's whose relative in which way to make it the topic of the game without any useless werewolves, the more Wizards. I can just see someone posting "And as I said, I suspect my cousin..." and others asking unisono: "Erm, WHICH cousin?"

I already pity the narration-writer as well

[satansaloser2005]

Hmmmm. I figured I was a bit older....then again, since I am my Lommy mommy's apprentice, it makes sense. Either way works for me. Whatever's in the best interest of my darling Legate.

[Lhunardawen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Hey now, it's a small village, so there aren't that many options outside of the family. When you give the kids the option of "You can date your cousin or no one at all" you figure eventually they'll rationalize the cousin option.

And this would make healing such a lucrative occupation in this village - I can only imagine what genetic diseases people could be having here. Nerwen and I are going to be sooo rich.

I'm just glad I didn't have to do that. At least I don't think I did. *checks family chart* Nope, I'm safe.

I made sure we're safe, phantom dear.

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Speaking of that, people, I think we are going to have enough with who's whose relative in which way to make it the topic of the game without any useless werewolves, the more Wizards. I can just see someone posting "And as I said, I suspect my cousin..." and others asking unisono: "Erm, WHICH cousin?"

Oh, yes, of course, we'll always have to refer to others by their names.

I already pity the narration-writer as well

Uh-huh. Poor Noggie.

[Lalaith]

Right, so my lovely daughter Aganzir now has both of her dashing cousins in love with her, the little minx. You go, girl.

As for The Ka, my second daughter....now my original idea was that I returned to the village some years ago, with one child in tow, and opened my chocolate shop. I was a very young mother, ahem, so it would be perfectly fine for Aganzir to now be in her mid/late teens, ie old enough to date.
If Ka wishes to be somewhat younger, perhaps her birth occurred *after* my return to the village. How she came into the world, I am not prepared to say. I am a black sheep, after all, and we black sheep keep our own counsel. Ka, are you ok with being fatherless?

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Right, so my lovely daughter Aganzir now has both of her dashing cousins in love with her, the little minx. You go, girl.

As for The Ka, my second daughter....now my original idea was that I returned to the village some years ago, with one child in tow, and opened my chocolate shop. I was a very young mother, ahem, so it would be perfectly fine for Aganzir to now be in her mid/late teens, ie old enough to date.
If Ka wishes to be somewhat younger, perhaps her birth occurred *after* my return to the village. How she came into the world, I am not prepared to say. I am a black sheep, after all, and we black sheep keep our own counsel. Ka, are you ok with being fatherless?

Hee hee, oh of course I am fine with that.

Quite to tell the truth that storyline is close to how my actual existance is, so I should have good enough practice here.

Though, never have been the younger sibling, hmm I should probably go ask my brother for some tips and tricks.

Aganzir, I promise to be the archetypal annoying-around-boyfriend-younger-sibling. It will be hard, but I'll try my best to be protectively annoying and suddenly concerned.

Yay, to be a kid again. My inner child thanks you Lalaith.


Oh, btw, Lalaith, out of all of homeless dogs that periodically rome the village I've adopted a playful and large hound named Bavo. Can I keep him? I promise to care for him and teach him to protect the chocolate... and us!

~ Ka