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Ibrīn, maybe Melkor was the first jazz musician in history, and was merely going for syncopation (which would have been disruptive to the rest of the Ainur's rigid pre-Stravinsky classicism).
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But, Morth, Melkor's discord plainly *angered* Eru, and was adjudged the Root of All Evil: so it must have been twelve-tone serialism.
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But then, trying to inject twelve-tone serialism into either traditional chromatic or modal music... one shudders to think of the sound! Although I seem to recall Melkor's music being described as loud and braying as if on one note, so maybe Melkor wasn't really being discordant as much as magnificently tone-deaf. ![]() Okay, I digress from topic. Sorry about that. Somewhat more seriously, because of the way Tolkien wrote it, we do have to remember that events of the Ainulindale are presented through the lens of an Elf describing something that no Elf ever witnessed. From their viewpoint, Melkor was responsible for committing the first Act of Evil, and therefore must, to their minds, be the Root of All Evil. But if Eru had not expected or allowed for such a thing to happen, He would have simply started over or summarily erased Melkor and his deeds from the picture. That He didn't would, at least to me, seem to be an indication that Eru expected something like this to happen. Why He would be angered by something an omnipotent/omniscient being would have foreseen is, perhaps, an interpretation of the Elvish historians, who could not have imagined any other reaction. Just a possibility. But if one considers Melkor himself as the personification of Evil, then perhaps it was necessary for him to personally enter Ea, in order to bring evil with him. If free choice itself presents the possibility of evil as a choice of all creatures who have that freedom, then perhaps it was not necessary for him to have come; evil likely would have happened sooner or later, without him. But since the one thing Melkor desired but could not have was the power of Creation on a par with Eru's, then the next best thing for him would be entering the world of Eru's creation to either subjugate it to his will or to destroy it utterly. What he sang in the Ainulindale was an attempt to make it his own, and to have that become reality, he had to enter Ea to see it done. IMHO, of course.
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Melkor had self-esteem issues..."Look at me! Aren't I great! Eru gave me all of my siblings' powers and abilities, and I still feel inadequate...I need more creatures to tell me that I'm really great and wonderful." As I've said previously, Melkor just needed a hug. Quote:
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And then Joseph's brothers finally got fed up with the conceited little prat and mugged him.... whoops, wrong dysfunctional family.
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Hmmm...perhaps because Melkor's contribution was considered loud and braying by the Ainuric aficianados, a better comparison would be between Melkor and Bob Dylan at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival. Bob whipped out his electric guitar, and rather than crooning an acoustic 'Blowin' in the Wind', he blared a loud version of 'Maggie's Farm'. The enraged folkies started screaming "HERESY!" and "TRAITOR!" in unison.
Melkor wasn't evil, he was merely a brooding, cerebal rock star.
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I imagine that the problem with Melkor's music was not that it was innovative (as you will recall that Melkor could only mimic and rearrange Eru's tunes, but could not create anything really new) or that it was different, but that it was a deviation apart from Eru's plan. Melkor was over-eager and impatient, and ultimately unwilling to follow Eru's established timeline for the development of the theme. He had an agenda and a will which he set above Eru's. That is called rebellion, and it is why Melkor's foray into musical composition was wrong. It was a timing issue.
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