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06-04-2008, 10:21 PM | #281 |
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Thanks, that's helpful.
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I clicked 'Submit Reply' accidentally with the above post.
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06-04-2008, 10:24 PM | #283 |
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Now that's suspicious.
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Honestly, you're sort of right. I'm not used to Phantom's behavior, and from anyone else it would scream "vote me vote me" so I did. I didn't expect him to get lynched (and at the moment I'm happy he didn't; if nothing else he's entertaining) but of the people whose posts I had time to look at, he looked the most suspicious at the time. I'll try to be more careful with my votes in the future though. Oh, and for Gwath. Don't expect typical Silly Sally this game, at least not as much. Much less time on the interwebs, so I don't have as much opportunity to respond; hence the short posts and lack of explanation for yesterday's vote. This is my big chunk of internet; most of the time I've got about ten or fifteen minutes. Just a warning for all of you who expect a completely crazed and cracked Sally; I don't have time to be entertaining, at least not right now. Doing my best though, loves. Not defending my actions, just letting you know what's going on. And in my defense, I did warn that I wouldn't be particularly participative during the game. EDIT: x'd with everyone since my potential future mother-in-law
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Ummmm, I mean, silly father of mine. Perhaps you need some sleep? I could fetch you some tea....special tea....Hold up. Who's laughing maniacally in the distance?
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06-04-2008, 10:31 PM | #286 |
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Strangely enough, that wasn't what bothered me. It was that "maybe, maybe not" thing from yesterDay that made me raise my eyebrows.
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Huh, was reading over, and realized that Lommy, Greenie, and Volo all three had suspicion of Aganzir. Volo openly agreed with Lommy (and we know now he was the seer, yeah, whatever), but Greenie simply tosses this in about Aganzir, while remaining on her general course towards voting for Gwath: Quote:
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06-04-2008, 10:35 PM | #288 |
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Blast! I don't want to vote this early, but I'm not positive I'll have internet during work tomorrow (on the off chance the people whose wireless I mooch from have problems with it or something). But I'm not voting this early again, at least not toDay. But I need to leave my friends alone; I need to get back home and take care of things while I've still got power to do it.
I'll hang around for a bit, but if I don't post again before they kick me out, g'night.
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What is with all the vote recaps?
It doesn't matter how many times different people recap the votes, they're not changing. *stares at the screen for a moment* Nope, still the same. It's like.... "Let's all post the exact same information, but with different formatting!"
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Di, when you're older, you'll understand that adults like to make themselves look important. Restating information in a different yet useless manner is one of the ways to do so.
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06-04-2008, 10:47 PM | #292 |
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The voting, in case you haven't seen it lately-
morm for Brin Sally for tp Gwath for Sally Kit for morm Nerwen for Cailin Roa for tp Cel for Izzy Rikae for morm Izzy for Roa Shasta for tp Eonwe for tp Cailin for Ner Ka for Cel Green for Gwath McCab for Ner Mac for Legate Lal for Ner Dur for Ner Lommy for Agan Di for Ner Volo for Agan Brin for Agan Legate for Agan Agan for Ner Ner- 6 tp- 4 Agan- 4 morm- 2 Brin- 1 Sally- 1 Cailin- 1 Izzy- 1 Roa- 1 Cel- 1 Gwath- 1 Legate- 1
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phantom, this is one of those unhelpful things I was mentioning yesterDay.....
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06-04-2008, 10:55 PM | #296 | |
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I really feel like I'm stuck in a jam with Roa.
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But your point about an EW picking me- I can't see anything wrong with your logic. Lhuna's as well. However, do you truly believe that Sally was "trying to start something in that (my) direction"? If so, then that would speak towards my innocence. Which one do you feel more strongly?
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EDIT: the following is for Durie. Blasted x'posting Phantom.
Indeed. Hey, you know you're thinking it too. All right, that's enough for now. I'm out for the night. Hope to be back sometime tomorrow around lunchtime (4 hours pre-DL or so) and vote, so give me something concrete to base it on (i.e. "I'm a wolf, lynch me, kthxbye") Good night everyone!
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06-04-2008, 10:55 PM | #298 |
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Watch it, sally.
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When it comes to suspicious voting, Eonwe, Shasta, Izzy, McCaber, and Legate stick out to me. I do agree Eonwe's vote isn't very well reasoned. But I think this is his first game (am I right?). So this could easily be a newbie error...though such a mistake can be made by both a wolf and an ordo. Shasta and McCaber also bandwagon (for different people) in their votes with not much reason to back it up. Izzy's vote for Roa felt like it came from nowhere. I couldn't find anywhere else where she strongly suspected her...but maybe I missed it... And my dear brother Legate...voting for Aganzir but not wanting her lynched is very odd. And his explanation for it confused me even more. (Hmm...maybe it's because old love never dies ) But as suspicious as it is...I wonder if it's too suspicious. I mean, would a wolf actually act in such a way? Only if the EW told him to... Sidenote: What's with all this silliness going on? I admit I find it funny now, but I have the feeling this is going to get annoying in the near future when I'll have to do twice as much scrolling as normal when reviewing past posts...
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And how many times have we seen the "I know you suspect me, but I think your just a mistaken innocent," line from a wolf trying to not appear overly defensive?
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And to add to my above post, even if Sally is evil and knows your identity, since when have fellow baddies NOT suspected each other or cast an early vote that may or may not get said fellow lynched? I mean, it's one of the most common tactics.
Really, phantom, you have to come up with better than that...
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06-04-2008, 11:14 PM | #305 |
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Yes, it is. Glad we understand each other.
I also happen to be the WIZARD OF APATHY.
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This is going back a bit, but...
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I am almost positive Eonwe has played before. To add to your list, Celuien also made a random vote, as she said so herself. Really all of those are examples of 'submarines'. Little posting, slip by unnoticed. I think I'm just going to sit back and watch phantom and Roa go at it now. Or sleep. |
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Okay, it's time for me to get a little bit serious here....
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Not at that stage of the game. No way. The goal for the EW and WWs was to not get any of their team lynched yesterday, for if they were successful it would mean likely getting an extra kill the next night and every night after that. Day 1 was not the day to pull stunts. Absolutely not. You can try to rationalize my explanation away any way you wish, but if you sit there and read what I say and think about the odds and percentages, what I'm saying here is correct. The EW and WWs had an excellent chance of skating by on Day 1, and the reward for doing it would be an extra nightly kill. There is NO WAY they pass that up. At least not if they think even remotely the way I do. Quote:
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Anyways, back to posts. Legate's flustered vote at the end reminds me of (I'm not 100% sure on this, so if you know for sure please correct me. Aganzir should know, we squared off together) a few of Volo's WW's back where he turned out to be a gifted and was unfortunately killed by wolves that second Night. I believe he had a similar situation of voting, and being considered suspicious for it as well. While I cannot be completely certain that this was the case this time, I'm going to find it a bit hard to place suspicion on him simply for first-day indecisiveness (world knows I'm 'guilty' of it as well, take Legate's last WW for an example. I don't even think I voted the first day because I hadn't a clue). Simply put, first days are never worth their trouble until afterwards, and unfortunately being hesitant is more likely to have you killed than being rash. I'd rather read more of his posts and see toDay how things go. I still have three more pages to sift through. Quote:
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I'm still trying to form some reasonable theory for Volo's killing besides the possibility of being found out (a stretch too?), and so far I only can surmise reasons on his behavior (oddly, cheery and a bit well seated, but I guess anyone being a seer would have some hope of confidence). I'll try looking again in the morning and after spending a sleepless night mulling over the whole ordeal and see if anything comes out of it, though I can guess everyone else will know before I do which is a good sign. See you in the morning.
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THE Ka: I've been quieter than usual. My job keeps me busy during the day (and through the DL) and random other stuff (movies, grandparents, dishes) has taken up a lot of time in the evenings.
And, I'm going to have to vote way early again because I won't be around for the deadline.
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Finally, you get serious, phantom. I've been wanting that from you.
You may be right in that the EW would not want to risk it. But I was the EW, and I did risk it. Heck, I was down a wolf (due to the double pick fiasco) and I still did it. So your definite "NO" is definitely not definite. Also, I don't know why you are so certain that the EW gave her wolves possible lynch candidates. I never did, and my wolves did just fine. The GW did something like that for the entire village, but only after his role had been revealed. In fact, I even encouraged my wolves to lynch as they liked. Someone acts suspiciously? Lynch them! It makes the wolves harder to trace because they aren't having to lie about their suspicions. So, really, your whole hypothesis does not match up to previous experience. Furthermore, even if we had a "playing it safe" EW (a possibility), it does not disclude the other two possibilities: a. that you and Sally are both wolves who don't know it, or b. that sally is a wolf who doesn't realize you are the EW. Still further, were you the EW, I would not expect you to kill people who suspected you, as your exceptionally thinly veiled threat towards Lhuna implied. Edit: crossed posted with Ka and Gwath
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This whole diatribe (edited because I dislike gigantic quotes) seems kind of funny, in light of the fact that Roa did exactly that in the last game with Nogrod. And won.
Xposted with Roa. See? My memory isn't faulty. Ha!
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Yes, you did it in the last DW village, but you couldn't gain an immediate extra kill that night either.
And obviously, as I now see, you must not think/play/plan even remotely the same way I do. To sum myself up- I am logical. I look and see "What do you know- the odds say we will lynch an innocent on Day 1, and if that happens, we gain an extra kill! And the odds say that the village/GW probably can't hope to be right more than 50% of the time, thus by simply surviving Day 1 we likely gain an extra kill EVERY SINGLE NIGHT!" Ask anyone who has been a WW with me before, or read my pms post-game. When I am a WW I never ever want to sacrifice another WW even in a regular game because it adds an extra day to the village. You sacrifice a WW when he's been dreamed of or if he's already as good as dead. That's it. Always protect your brother and sister Wolves if you can. And if it gets you caught then you just didn't play well enough. Quote:
How can you honestly believe that an EW would pass up the chance to gain extra kills from Night 2 onward just to pull some stupid stunt? What a terrible trade off! "Hee hee, yeah, let's purposefully kill a WW and miss out on like four free kills! That sounds smart!" Seriously. The thought literally boggles my mind. It almost makes me angry to hear someone suggest that it might've been a good idea yesterday.
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So they got a Seer. Bad luck? Or something more? I suppose the evil team were trying to guess who the gifteds were -- considering who a wizard might choose, and also perhaps any subtle hints within their words. I'm not sure what these would be but let's have a look. (Mind you, it's also likely wolves wouldn't want a kill that leads back to them).
Volo #9 role-playing #55 madness, madness! and dangerous, dangerous! Funny stuff from Volo, but could it be interpreted as a sign? #84 Numerous vague suspicions: Green, sally, phantom, Celuien, Cailin. #85 Mentions his typo ''We Wolves''. Maybe mind is stretching too much here but could that be interpreted in a different way? #114 Nothing really #128 Chastises Lalaith somewhat #133 Questions Legate #150 Suspects Aganzir, but also agrees with Aganzir in suspecting Legate #154 Defends phantom #159 Questions Eonwe #163, 173 Nothing of note #194 Speculation about wizard choices (and #201 I suppose) #209 Votes Aganzir (Plus 3 other joke posts) Kitanna #13 role-playing #60 she uses the word ''blind'' Interpreted as hint? #93 ''Random vote'' for Mormegil I can't immediately see too much in there but I'll think on it. Apologies to Nerwen, who turned out to be sweet and innocent. I must say I was a bit flabbergasted at the way people followed my vote though. I have one more, possibly crackpot, theory at the moment, but it's one of those that requires the day to play out; so I won't reveal it yet. Let's just say someone else is looking mighty suspicious to me today. |
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The dork has filled in properly the product of his lack of proper muscular control here.
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Anyway, it's almost 2 and I have to get up early for work. I'll try and check in then but I won't really be able to post much till around lunch time (6 hours before the deadline).
If you want to continue suspecting me, Roa, go ahead, but please let this particular issue go. I literally find it insulting that someone would think I would make a decision like that- pass up several nights of free kills for a completely unnecessary stunt. So help me but if you continue on this I might just try and get you lynched despite the fact that I think you're probably innocent. Plus, do you really expect the GW to leave me alone much longer if he didn't already scry me or dream me last night? Please. You know good and well that the GW has been thinking about me more than anyone thus far. If I'm a WW he'll scry me back to the good side. If I'm the EW then you can't lynch me anyway and he'll challenge me on Day 4. I'm sleepy. See you later.
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Time to be a little more serious.
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Page 2 summary (I can't just quote everything and say "I agree" or "I disagree" and repeat points): Mac is highly suspicious. Legate is suspicious. Agan and Cailin seem innocent. Roa is helpful. Thank you, Ma'am. Durelin feels dodgy. Sally is quite scary. Mind you, this is just page 2, so this could change. |
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