Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Cailín]

You're quite an intriguing case, Diamond. For all the posts that you've made -- way more than the quiet players -- I can't see a single interesting point that you've offered. Well, maybe that whole bit about being a rebel and not especially on the villagers' side. And there's the questioning of the phantom for his vote, which you get 'bored' with.

But it looks to me like you're hiding in the open, and a bit eager to express how you don't really feel a part of the game -- i.e. have an evil role.

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Cailín

You're quite an intriguing case, Diamond. For all the posts that you've made -- way more than the quiet players -- I can't see a single interesting point that you've offered. Well, maybe that whole bit about being a rebel and not especially on the villagers' side. And there's the questioning of the phantom for his vote, which you get 'bored' with.

Interesting points, being helpful, talking substance etc. are so passe. I want arguments! Bitter ones! I want to read magnificent rows and passionate defenses! Sadly only Roa and phantom are delivering, though yesterday you and Newen and Mac and Legate were runners up.

tp did answer my question, sort of, by way of actually addressing Ka, and so I found it boring to pursue him any longer when I'm sure he'd just reference that post. Probably I could have gotten out some knives and gone at him, oh well at least Roa did.

Perhaps I will fabricate some harsh opinions on people to get things going.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Interesting points, being helpful, talking substance etc. are so passe. I want arguments! Bitter ones! I want to read magnificent rows and passionate defenses! Sadly only Roa and phantom are delivering, though yesterday you and Newen and Mac and Legate were runners up.

tp did answer my question, sort of, by way of actually addressing Ka, and so I found it boring to pursue him any longer when I'm sure he'd just reference that post. Probably I could have gotten out some knives and gone at him, oh well at least Roa did.

Perhaps I will fabricate some harsh opinions on people to get things going.

Di! How could you?! She's a wolf, I swear it, she and her fellow evil cohorts and that witch of an Evil Wizard! I swear, Diamond, I will come after you relentlessly until you have paid for what you have done!!

(How's that? )

[Diamond18]

An improvement.

Shasta, weren't we wolves together once? And didn't we eat the village? Yes, yes, I do believe we did. You're one of those super uber sneaky wolves whom no one suspects, dangerous sort of fellow to have around.

I'll be watching you.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

An improvement.

Shasta, weren't we wolves together once? And didn't we eat the village? Yes, yes, I do believe we did. You're one of those super uber sneaky wolves whom no one suspects, dangerous sort of fellow to have around.

I'll be watching you.

Aww look, she remembered! <3

Yes, the one time I wasn't an ordo, I was a wolf with you. I believe our cohorts were none other than Brinn and Mac, if I'm not mistaken. And I seem to remember that I wasn't the only one classified as a "sneaky" wolf, Miss Diamond.

I'll be watching you right back.

[satansaloser2005]

++Cabbie



What are the odds I could go back to work now and explain this more in-depth toMorrow? Not likely, so I'll do my best in a minute or less. Cabbie's not acting right; it's hard to explain with so little time but I'll try to get a post ready for toMorrow, but at the moment he just seems off and it worries me, that and he's been quiet and all. The only real concrete evidence I've got is his Nerwen vote, but even that could have been just a poorly-placed suspicion. I don't know. I have to go. Sorry.

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by satansaloser2005

++Cabbie



What are the odds I could go back to work now and explain this more in-depth toMorrow? Not likely, so I'll do my best in a minute or less. Cabbie's not acting right; it's hard to explain with so little time but I'll try to get a post ready for toMorrow, but at the moment he just seems off and it worries me, that and he's been quiet and all. The only real concrete evidence I've got is his Nerwen vote, but even that could have been just a poorly-placed suspicion. I don't know. I have to go. Sorry.

Is it just me or is this strangely reminiscent of Gwath's vote?

[Diamond18]

Okay, since I have neither the time (it would take many hours and the deadline for today is less than two away) nor the energy to do a comprehensive analysis of everyone, I can't really make a fair case for or against anyone. (Where's the fun in fairness, anyhow?) So here's a slipshod, ambivalent, touchy-feely list of my vague opinions and baseless assumptions about the village.

Greenie -- massive echoing blank here. I can't remember anything about her.

Shasta -- As I said, I'll be watching him. He's a cheerful killer.

Isabellkaya -- has posted very little, has said nothing original or interesting, yet without being as refreshingly forthright about it as yours truly. Hmm. I've never played with her before so I don't know her habits, but this is making me think that getting rid of her would be no great loss.

Lommy -- smooth operator. Wouldn't be surprised if she were rotten to the core.

Nilp -- well if he had any special role he probably wouldn't have forget that it was Day 1. Just sayin.

Eönwë -- the fact that there are two Eonwe's blows my mind. I've played with the one who's played before, and spent all game assuming it was him, now that I know differently, I don't really know that I can make any assumptions about him at all.

Kath -- her page by page recaps make me want to lynch her just to stop her from posting them. Besides, I know how effortlessly evil she can be.

Sally -- Never played with her before, but I like her. She makes me laugh.

Mac-Daddy -- Oh come on, we all know he applied to be a wizard. The man's a born leader, I've modded a game where he was a werecreature, and played with him as one, he is so on my possible wizard list. But IS he actually one? Don't know.

Rikae -- Mommy! Are those wizard robes I see in your closet? I think you applied, anyway.

the phantom -- amuses me.

Cailín -- eeeeeeeeevil. She had made all up on her side yesterday (well, seeing as I didn't actually have time to read the thread, technically she had me on her side during the night while I read it over.) I really started to think that I'd voted for a wolf by luck of the draw (sparing phantom by voting for the next in line) but then she proved innocent and it makes Cailin look bad.

Lhunardawen -- I think Lhuna's innocent. I'm not getting any whiffs of angst or guilt off of her, and I know she doesn't like being evil, so I'm thinking she's alright. Let's lynch her, she's too nice and isn't contributing to my desire for a mass fight-a-thon.

Durelin -- Dury/Durie/Durinator. Not sure what's going on there, but she corrects peoples's word usage. If only she'd be more nasty about it and not back down.

Roa -- It would be funny if she were the EW again. Ha. But really, the insight she brings (has brought) is valuable. My own insight from the former DW game reminds me that nobody assassinates an innocent quite like Roa (she eviscerated my posts in the game, if I hadn't known better I'd have thought I was a wolf) so her gigantic sprawling case against Phantom contains whiffs of evil. I like it, has a nice odor.

Brinn -- Overly thoughtful.

Legate -- Sneaky. Complains about long posts while writing a long post, oh ho ho, that's like me complaining about lack of substance in any one of my posts.

Lalaith -- lalaith is right, she's laughing at US ALL behind that quiet exterior. I'm getting "evil" vibes due to the overall lack of whiffiness either way.

Aganzir -- Eh. I don't know.

The Ka -- I like.

morm -- Wait, he's playing in this game??

Celuien -- see morm

Gwathagor -- Beats me.

McCaber -- If Cailin is evil SO IS HE.


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I pity anyone who actually read all that.

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Truthfully, since allegiances are constantly changing in this game, all analysis of previous days will ultimately be moot and a big chunkalicious waste of time. IF you're looking for wolves. It's only a viable way to spend you're day if you're looking for the only two players who are never going to change, ever. The Wizards.

Personally, I think that phantom is one of the Wizards. He probably bribed Nogrod with promises of Cornhuskers paraphernalia if he made him a Wizard. Let's lynch him an find out!

By the by, I don't think it's all that harmful to talk about who you think the wizards are. Whoever they are, they're both smart and capable players, otherwise Nogrod wouldn't have entrusted the wizard roles to them. So they are more than perfectly capable to figure who are likely wizards, themselves. I'm not going to worry that my rantings and babblings and speculations are going to influence them either way.

[Rikae]

I agree with Diamond. Unfortunately, I can't fabricate passion from thin air, so it will have to wait until someone ticks me off (probably by attacking Mac ).

[Durelin]

I find it funny that Isabel seems to have been quietly following in Roa's footsteps the past two days, focusing on nothing but general debates and the phantom, and yet she voted for Roa.

Originally Posted by Eonwe with accent marks

I have never played WW before, anywhere.

...

I'm somewhere in btween the first two (after all, I've never played any form of WW before.

Ok- thats cleared, hopefully. I've never played Werewolf.

We got the idea.

Looking back, it's interesting how much Lommy urged on the Aganzir "bandwagon," testing the waters repeatedly before making the first vote.

Shasta posted something vaguely interesting!

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Durelin

I find it funny that Isabel seems to have been quietly following in Roa's footsteps the past two days, focusing on nothing but general debates and the phantom, and yet she voted for Roa.



We got the idea.

Looking back, it's interesting how much Lommy urged on the Aganzir "bandwagon," testing the waters repeatedly before making the first vote.

Shasta posted something vaguely interesting!

Always happy to be of entertainment value.

[the phantom]

Roa for tp
Lhuna for Mac
Nilp for McCaber
Gwath for Lal
morm for Brin
Sally for McCaber

McCaber- 2
tp- 1
Mac- 1
Lal- 1
Brin- 1

[Cailín]

Phantom, I often see your side of things and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you have about double the number of posts as the next highest. Why'd you lose your ability to post like a proper player?

I'm not sure who to vote for yet. Sally still looks dodgy to me; Diamond's just itching for me to choose her ( ) and I'm suspicious of Gwathagor and Brinniel.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Cailin

Phantom, I often see your side of things and give you the benefit of the doubt, but you have about double the number of posts as the next highest. Why'd you lose your ability to post like a proper player?

Heh heh... Actually that's pretty typical. Do you recall Fea's game? I had over 100 posts just on that thread. Mith kept track of posting counts. I found this one on one of the latter pages-

the phantom- 95
The Saucepan Man- 54
Mithalwen- 43
Diamond18- 35
Kath- 16

I have almost twice as many as SPM! That's quite an accomplishment if you ask me.

So really, this is pretty standard stuff from me.

Originally Posted by Lommy

probably tp, because he seems less innocent and is less reasonable

Maybe less innocent, but I have not been less reasonable. Her attack post was a series of misquotes and grasping. I've been rather reasonable I'm thinking.

[Celuien]

Hmm. After all of the reading and attempted thinking, I'm not really any closer to definite suspicions than I was at the beginning. I wish I had time for more thorough reasoning... call this a hunch, but I do have a vaguely bad feeling about Cailín - partly for this directed at Di:

But it looks to me like you're hiding in the open, and a bit eager to express how you don't really feel a part of the game -- i.e. have an evil role.

And I find Di unsuspicious. So...

++ Cailín

[Cailín]

Originally Posted by Celuien

Hmm. After all of the reading and attempted thinking, I'm not really any closer to definite suspicions than I was at the beginning. I wish I had time for more thorough reasoning... call this a hunch, but I do have a vaguely bad feeling about Cailín - partly for this directed at Di:

And I find Di unsuspicious. So...

++ Cailín

What a bizarre reason for a vote.

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Legate

I'm back, I'm back! (I'm pink, I'm pink... wait, that was different. Nevermind.)

Thanks for making my reading process take even more time because after the ending I had to check if there were any "l"'s involved in the "back"s...

Originally Posted by Agan to Legate

:-DDD
I must laugh at this a bit since you remind me so much of a recent RPG character of mine

Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

Okay, then off to talk some sense.

I cannot really understand why no one has brought up the reason that looks very obvious to me for Volo and Kit's death. They were both good players but not ones valued as much as they probably should (sort of "slip under the radar ww masters"), involved in the game in mediocre amounts and have a tendeny to survive. Perfect gifted picks for the GW? I think so, at least along with a couple more similar-style players. Now, the EW would realise this too (surely if he's trying to find gifteds?) and decide to kill them. And he got lucky with nailing the seer. I don't believe that anyone would have been able to find a seer hint from Volo's posts (maybe because I couldn't...). (Although, if I had to name a person who could have spotted Volo acting seerish, it would be a certain miss whose name begins with A and ends with r...)

As for Roa and phantom, I wasn't as foolish as some *coughMaccough* to skip their debate. It lead me to believe that at least one of them is evil. The possible combinations are (innocent means ordo, gifted or GW here) EW+wolf, wolf+wolf (I can so see the Ew telling them to keep fighting and take all the attention, this also goes for the possibility of either of them actually being the EW), wolf+innocent (again, EW wanting to stir more trouble and mislead the village) or even EW + innocent, but that seems a little improbable. Because of this, I'm very inclined to vote one of them toDay, probably tp, because he seems less innocent and is less reasonable and to be honest is more annoying. (Besides, reading the thread becomes far less time-consuming if we kill him off... )

I could also vote Agan, she keeps being very odd and jumpy. Of other I really can't say. I would need more time to think...

Originally Posted by Agan

Frankly, I got annoyed with her later in the day. It's ok if someone just says I don't sit right with them, but I disliked the way she started to use her RL knowledge of me as a basis for accusations (see, now everyone for instance thinks that I'd love to be the EW which is something she invented herself, and besides she was wrong).

Now sorry dear but this is plain jumpy once aga(i)n. I don't really understand why you criticise me for using my knowledge of you. I use my knowledge of everybody all the time. Frankly, such thing could not be forbidden or else we (meaning all us ww players) could not play unless we had never met one another before anywhere. It's pointless to separate some knowledge to be RL-knowledge and some to be BD-knowledge. If I had some extra knowledge of some player from PMs or MSN, which one would it be? If I had some extra knowledge of some player because of reading some BD thread, which one would it be? Plain silly. I can tell you that even if I didn't know you from RL, I would guess that you'd enjoy being a wizard, especially the evil one. You know, it kind of glows of you... *Mr Hugo expression* Lastly, I never claimed you said you wanted to be the EW. I only stated it as my opinion of you.

Originally Posted by Agan, of me

And thus far she has always said she can't really read me (which, I think, is not something every player here knows), and now all of a sudden she claims to be the one who can figure me out the best (yes, she said she usually can't, but the way she behaves suggests completely the opposite).

I do not claim that! I definitely don't! I don't think that way! (Hey, using more exclamation marks than Legate... ) Really, that was a bad accusation. Are you just annoyed that for once I have an inkling that you're evil, I'm not clueless once again? Or are you annoyed because I dare to suspect you more than probably ever before? Whatever, it's silliness. I'm far from confident of your guilt, but I do suspect you. I don't claim I know you're guilty. I don't. I just have a bad feeling about you and I can't see what's so wrong with it...

Sorry for getting a bit heated but Agan's points annoy me.

The last thing that really stands out to me that I don't like it how Rikae first plays the idea of being a wolf and then jokes about being EW as her previous and future initials are E.W. Okay, I can understand the latter as it's quite funny, but combined it to the "I'm a wolf"-comment it is worth a little eyebrow-raising...


edit: xed with tp, Cailie and Cel

[Rikae]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

The last thing that really stands out to me that I don't like it how Rikae first plays the idea of being a wolf and then jokes about being EW as her previous and future initials are E.W. Okay, I can understand the latter as it's quite funny, but combined it to the "I'm a wolf"-comment it is worth a little eyebrow-raising...

Hey, somebody noticed!
Now, would I say that if I were really evil?

*chuckles*

Anyway, I find this Lommy-Agan thing that's going on at the moment a little fabricated. It definitely gives me the feeling of the EW pulling the strings in the background - then, on the other hand, I said that about the Phantom-Roa thing as well, and I doubt the EW would want 2-4 wolves involved in heated fights like this. As it is, (and as much as I hate doing what that young whippersnapper tells me), I think I'll go for
++Legate
and leave those debates to be sorted out at a later time.

EDIT: X'd with everybody since The Phantom

[Shastanis Althreduin]

We've got some bad weather heading our way (it's heading north, so Sally and Phantom, watch out! ) and I've got to vote before something happens to my internet.

++Legate... my prime suspect at this point.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Rikae

Anyway, I find this Lommy-Agan thing that's going on at the moment a little fabricated. It definitely gives me the feeling of the EW pulling the strings in the background

It definitely feels like that, since the very beginning.

[Macalaure]

Alright... it's midnight here... my brain capacity is slowly tending towards "black, green, wolves, lynch"...

I don't want to vote Lommy without reassessing her before. I think I'd like Legate around one more day. I find Kath creepy, but she can wait another day, too.

++Aganzir

I don't have anybody right now I can vote for with a really good conscience, I fear.

[THE Ka]

Originally Posted by Durelin

I really want to ignore both Roa and phantom so they end up stuck just talking to each other. I don't want either of them to have the satisfaction of the other being lynched or of themselves being lynched.

Somewhat the same sentiments here…
Bandwagons are so tempting when you don’t have a clue on anyone besides faint suspicions, but the ones offered so far are really not worth it at all.

Not to start yet another, I’ve been mulling over Legate’s actions while I’ve been away. Don’t really want to vote for him, because I’d rather have a better case than to do such a thing rashly on the second Day, but his strange nature the past two Days has sparked my curiosity. Usually he only acts this way on the first Day, not nearly all the way through the second. Might just be playing WW with exams overhead (probably a similar why reason I’m so ‘serious’ right now and can’t think of anything besides them), but I’d rather ask why instead since I don’t like to assume.
Why are you acting more anxious than usual? Just curious.

Originally Posted by Agan

Maybe because you kept dropping ranger hints all the time since you wanted to have fun?

Probably… It’s interesting, because I always thought I’d have so much fun being a gifted for once, but it turned out to be a job with all of the protecting, picking the right person, ugh.
I have a soft spot for being an ordo. Must be the challenge and all the suspicion (though I feel completely lacking in all of that today. Just the challenge of not knowing squat about anyone.).

Lalaith, I don’t have a single bloody clue about. Due to that this is the first time playing with her, and that she is quite busy at the moment. I could go with others’ experiences with her, but that’s the easy way out and I’d feel more rotten than usual. Also, she’s my mother. Don’t know how well I feel about plugging out a vote and blind sighting her with no evidence. Then again, she might as well eat her little daughter in her sleep as well.
Mama I feel I hardly know you!

Originally Posted by Mac

If you want to catch a criminal, you need to think like a criminal.

Very true, but you have to remember that the criminals and innocents alike don’t care for it very much.
Get to know the person, apply different scenarios of roles, add competing elements and then assess. Doesn’t always work, but at least I can sleep somewhat at night.

Also unfortunately, it’s very easy for the ‘criminals’ to use that against you when they want to hide, so you need to mix it up.
… Now I’m going to watch you closely Mac, you’re giving the impression of wanting to be, controversial.

Originally Posted by Agan

Wolves just want to create havoc, and one way is to confuse people by saying something like this.

I remember gifted/innocent Lommy was far more pensive at times. Some take this as quietly hiding something, but she always rounded her arguments one way or another.
She does seem a bit different at times in this game, but I guess she could be hiding anything if she really wanted to, especially under a perceived nature of intent (or just by what we have come to know).That I can’t doubt in her ability. She’ll be difficult to access later on until there is less limelight with others in general.

... And if you're perpetuating that crutch of 'what we know or should guide to Lommy' then I'll never forgive you.

I have to leave for a shortwhile, but I might be back by DL. Hopefully with my mind made up about something.

[the phantom]

Roa for tp
Lhuna for Mac
Nilp for McCaber
Gwath for Lal
morm for Brin
Sally for McCaber
Cel for Cailin
Rikae for Legate
Shasta for Legate
Mac for Agan

McCaber- 2
Legate- 2
tp- 1
Mac- 1
Lal- 1
Brin- 1
Cailin- 1
Agan- 1

[Diamond18]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Sorry for getting a bit heated but Agan's points annoy me.

Don't apologize, we need more heat.

At least, I like reading heated arguments.

Oh, and Celuien seems to be posting more, so I'll have to change my assessment of her. I like that she sees the milk curdling eviiiiiil that is Cailin.

Diamond's just itching for me to choose her ( )

[Diamond18]

An imagined exchange:

Nogrod: "What would like for your birthday this year, Lommy dear?"
Lommy: "A pony!"
Nogrod: "Now dear, you know we can't afford a pony."
Lommy: "Then I want to be the evil wizard!"
Nogrod: "Alright, sweetheart."
Lommy: "Yay! I'm gonna grind Agan's bones up and make her into bread, mwah ha ha!"



As tongue-in-cheek as that is, the whole Lommy-Lom/Aganzir back and forth does increase my notion of Lommy as a shady she pen... wait. But you get the idea.