Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLVII: Dueling Wizards Werewolf II

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

I'm back, I'm back, I'm pink, I'm pink, ... I'm in-vi-si-ble! (Right! All of us are! Oh, how fitting. I should praise myself.)

First, one thing about our... sorry: about MY Sally. Because her posts are where I finished last time. I know she is usually chatty a lot, out-of-game-chatty a lot, but it makes me wonder, ooohyeahyeah, it really makes me wonder, tum-dum-tu-tu-tum-tum (okay, I'm stopping that already, what's up with me? :sillyness: ), if she isn't overdoing it a little in this particular game. Although this game is particularly suitable for that, but still, I am starting to wond... ahem, if there isn't the intention of hide behind lots of banter in it. Although it's, like, 25% probable from my point of view that it could be so. So not much. But watchin' it.

All right... what next.

Lalaith! She is actually playing? I said something about submarines yesterDay, but if there are any which are really, really deep, then it is her. Unbelievable. I knew she was a subject to vote and such, but if I try to remember anything about her from this game, I don't recall anything.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I am finding Lommy rather different in this game and it worries me. At one point she said that either Roa or phantom must be evil, then she wastes time pondering the point that wolves wouldn't necessarily want to kill gifteds at night, just wait until after the duel. (Obviously not the case: when her gifteds are killed, the GW has to scry to replace them, rather than scry for EW and wolves, and that is clearly to the evil team's benefit. The shortlist for a gifted scry would be a different one to the shortlist for a search-the-baddie scry.) Anyway, what I'm really saying is that the Lommy I've played with (always, coincidentally, an innocent Lommy) is too smart to be saying stuff like this so it worries me.

I don't think that's necessarily true. What I said before, my opinion is that Lommy is normal Lommy (this is, among other things, which led me to believe after their arguments with Agan yesterDay that one is not innocent, although they both seemed so, and I went with Agan), only maybe toDay she's different a little, or seems so. But the most troubling about Lommy is that she is so... silent, unlike her usual self. She posts less than usual, I think. Or I may just think so. I don't know.

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

But she also casts the vote that gets Aganzir killed, which means that either she is a wolf who decided to risk sacrificing her fellow in order to build her own reputation, an innocent who made some mistakes early on, or a wolf who got scried over somewhere in between Nerwen's death and Aganzir's death.

Or a wolf who did not know that Agan is a wolf because the EW did not tell her. Erm... a slip, Gwathy? Do the wolves know each other and you know because you are one?

Originally Posted by the phantom

And then she holds her vote later on Day 2 and starts shopping around to lynch someone else. Did she know that Agan was a WW? It's possible. But either way, it just doesn't seem like a Cailin move. I'd come out and ask "Hey, you guys wanna lynch so-and-so instead?" but it didn't feel right coming from Cailin.

And then Mac reveals, and she says "I suppose I should trust Mac", but then waits till 6:00 to vote. What was she waiting on? It takes less than 10 seconds to post "+ + Aganzir". You'd think she would've been in an outright panic if she was truly innocent! "Oh great! Mac's the Ranger! It's up to me! The deadline is almost here!"

That's a good point.

Originally Posted by the phantom

2) Lommy, unless turned last night, has got to be innocent.

That's very radically formulated, but it technically sums what I think as well (well, I already said above).

Hmm. TP is acting so... friendly, so to say, rationally (hm, if it's the right word in his case :-P - but let's say, I can identify with a lot he says - and I mean mainly: he is not building up - or seems not to build - baseless cases. He seems to be careful with this), I would think him innocentish. If he is cleverly manipulating us, is another thing, but right now my scales weigh him more to the innocent side.


Brinniel seems to make sense (post 652, for example) and I am letting my doubt off of her more, also after what Aganzir said yesterDay in her parting words (I said before that I am inclined to think she named innocent people. Besides, concerning Brinn and me, she only repeated what she said before about the two of us, so it was not a momentarily made-up thing).

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I'm in agreement that Cailin, in light of Gwath's analysis (thanks by the way, Gwath), looks pretty bad. As does Legate still.

You know what - may I ask you to sum up in short the reasons why you currently suspect me?

Wonderful - I write the above line and just after that Di posts:

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Speaking of that, I did look through all of Shasta's posts. He doesn't feel overtly suspicious to me, though he did seem to cling to only two suspects for a long time (Legate and phantom) before seeing fit to analyze McCaber and Gwath.

Because that's exactly what I've been thinking, so that's why I decided to ask.

Originally Posted by Cailín

I'll let you lynch me if you guess which posts were Eomer's and which were mine.

Wonderful. So we have a schizophrenic villager here. Who is supposed to make a picture out of it, then?

(reading on)
I like Brinniel better and better.

Originally Posted by Lalaith

I´ve continued to think about this order of wolves created business.
Here´s what I´ve come up with.
a. The EW wants to create new wolves, but at the same time she is trying to find the GW. So after Night One, when she creates her basic team, her picks are likely to be players she thinks might be the GW.

Really? I think it's not EW's problem to find the GW. It's GW's problem to find the EW. As long as EW can, she keeps multiplying her wolves, so that in the moment when she is at last scried by the EW, she dies, but leaves behind a horde unbeatable. What you say does not make much sense to me.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

That's similar to what I was about to say. I mean, of course Legate has to think everyone mentioned there is probably innocent when he's among them. Aganzir is too clever of a wolf to purposely give off a list of all innocents.

Well, the question is, why not. She may think we will think that she will think... you get the idea. (Or she may not think anything and just post, especially in the case you mention, when she wouldn't know who's a wolf and who not [though she would have her guesses about that, if nothing else]. She may also do so just to leave us some confusion to bother about as a parting present.)

Originally Posted by Lhunardawen

Just that? No elaboration? Trying to cover up your master and fellow slave?

No elaboration was there, really? I have to look back on it when it was written; but I think it was merely a statement: not necessarily. But I am pretty sure I wrote something more about it. Or at least I was thinking it. Hm...

Originally Posted by Isabellkya

I've only skimmed the thing between Lommy and Aganzir, and vaguely remembering the game where it was an all-female wolf pack..Volo's game.. I remember (if correctly) Lommy and Aganzir were both wolves - and Lommy claimed gifted. So I wouldn't put it past either of them to be up to shenanigans together. I think most of us believe that the wolves and EW don't know each other. Could be very true, but I don't think the EW has to let ALL of the wolves know/communicate between themselves. If they'd picked two particularly sneaky schemers, s/he could've informed the two of each other and let them loose on the board.

What? That they will be sharingans together?
Okay, okay, nothing. Well, it's a good point about the EW letting only some wolves know each other, and I have been thinking about it as a possibility before too (I think I even said it somewhere). However, I am still closer to the idea that if Lommy is not innocent right now, then she was before and was scried into a wolf this Night.

Isabell actually seems to make lot of sense and seems quite genuine. See, Izzy, now that you post more, or longer posts at least, I can get some reading of you (and it's quite positive this far).

Originally Posted by Lalaith

Actually, thinking about what I said just now....the EW can of course also use wolf-kills to discover the GW. Perhaps that was what was going on, on Night Two (Volo could have been a potential wizard) but probably not on Night Three.

Again - I think you are complicating it. As soon as the wizards are revealed, they may challenge each other and at the moment they die. There's no point for the EW to waste her scries on the GW, when she can have unlimited brood of minions.

Originally Posted by the phantom

And as far as my cry for Legate's help- it's partially in character (he's my fellow sheep herder). But it's also because he is one of the ones I trust and I'd like to forge an alliance.

Yes, yes, yes... thank you, fellow business partner well I would need to look at her more closely, there has been something before that bothered me, but I haven't focused on her specifically. Hopefully later I could look at her closer (there's the problem that she's a schizo, which kind of bothers me).

And let me finish with a sigh:

Originally Posted by Rikae

Nilp, you're wrong. I am always like this. I don't think you've played with me before, have you? Those who have are so used to me acting strangely, I couldn't get lynched if I wanted to. Allow me to demonstrate:

+ + Rikae

What the heck is THAT.

Now I'm finished, hope to stay on track and will be around somewhat from now on, or should be (between doing something else... some latin is trying to blink at me from the left side).

EDIT: x-ed since Rikae's self vote. what I saw when skimming through it doesn't make me feel good about Raikiri... sorry, Rikae; at all.

[Diamond18]

Roa, she did specify:

Originally Posted by Rikae

EDIT: X'd with Roa and Diamond. Legate is a wolf.

And I see Legate is here, but doesn't know he's been put on the chopping block. Awkward.

[Roa_Aoife]

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Roa, she did specify:

And I see Legate is here, but doesn't know he's been put on the chopping block. Awkward.

Ah, I didn't see the cross post edit. Thank you.

That is awkward.

Hmm... Rikae is as sneaky and devious as I am, but while I know I would totally pull this stunt as the EW, I'm not so sure about Rikae. We have different ideas on what's bold and what's insane....

[Roa_Aoife]

Wait! Do you think that the EW may have scried Rikae last night? If her identity is already known, that also means that there was no wolf turned last night. And she would have no reason to hide. Which means if Legate is a wolf and we lynch him, the wolves will be down significantly.