Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality

[satansaloser2005]

Come on people, let's not leave this to Brinn to (kind of) decide. Ties suck.



EDIT: Oh G'lord. x'd since Rikae.

[Aganzir]

++ Sixth

edit: xed with Nog

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

Kath random-votes. At least she's honest. Of course, a random-vote during Day 1 is nearly guaranteed not to be followed up, making it quite safe (and possibly wolf-on-wolf). (Shasta)

With 12 votes still remaining? I doubt a wolf-on-wolf vote would have been a viable strategy then, especially since Eönwë is suspicious.

I would like to see some reasoning behind this list [of Nilp's]: (Aganzir)

It's called gauging reactions. Most of the time I can't do it on WW cos of time restrictions on my part, but since I said I'll be taking this game more seriously (hence the waking up at 5am to participate in DAY-end activities*), I thought I could use it this time. It works most of the time for me with real people.

I'm rather crestfallen that Durelin and Nogrod didn't react.

I see, though, I don't need to provoke reaction from you. You give it to me freely.
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*Though toDAY I can't. Wake up at 5am, that is.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

It's called gauging reactions.

I am not sure how versatile reactions you get when your accusations come out of nowhere and have no reasons behind them. Either people demand an explanation or ignore them as jokes.

And of course I give my reaction freely. It's all about openness, you know. And I have nothing to hide.

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

It's disappointing that I have to vote soon, and the DAY hasn't even advanced beyond its starting page.

Shasta is quite helpful. I'd like to keep him around.

sally my daughter is having fun. (I hope you did get to watch the Dr. Who finale, vzv, so you can get back to contributing. )

FormenDAGA can't get over his hatred for DAY 1s. I share your pain, brother, but it's already DAY 2. Even if we don't have a NIGHT kill (which, I agree, would have been a treasure trove of solid information), we still have the rather exciting voting from yesterDAY. Use it.

The Elf-Warrior remains cryptic.

Eönwë is quite prickly toDAY. *rubs chin*

Aganzir wants me. I don't think you're ready for this jelly.

I am not sure how versatile reactions you get when your accusations come out of nowhere and have no reasons behind them. Either people demand an explanation or ignore them as jokes. (Aganzir)

Which is a reaction in itself; I can live with either. And of course they'd have no reason yet; it was the 1st page of DAY 1, and I was trying to get discussion flowing away from IC posting.

Eomer is . . . Wargy. Whatever that means--which I don't.

2. Nilpaurion Felagund. Described the events as a ''train wreck''. Hardly. Just because we lynched an innocent? That usually happens in Werewolf. It gives us stuff to talk about the next day.

As I said, we need not have killed an villager who didn't get to defend himself . . . Although I remember in WWVII that you were rather eager to protect the cannon fodder--me. Hmmm . . . What to make of this.

Blah, I'll play a game of DoTA with the accursed AI+ first before I vote. Hope to see more of you then.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

Eomer is . . . Wargy. Whatever that means--which I don't.
As I said, we need not have killed an villager who didn't get to defend himself . . . Although I remember in WWVII that you were rather eager to protect the cannon fodder--me. Hmmm . . . What to make of this.

You honour me, brother Nilp. If I should be permitted to achieve only a small measure of the glory of Wargs...

Anyway, I agree the votes for VI were a bit strange and probably not the best option for any innocents who might have chosen him, but I still think describing it as ''a train-wreck'' could have had a darker motive.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Nilpaurion Felagund

Aganzir wants me.

...dead.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Maybe I'm prejudiced here, Aganzir, but your activity yesterDay gives me a nasty impression of shopping around for someone to lynch.

Do you have anything solid to back it up so it wouldn't look like you're just trying to make people feel uncomfortable about me?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

On the other hand, at least you didn't vote "at random" or giving IC reasons, unlike some people I could mention.

"I suspect you but I don't."
Are you trying to make it look like I was your fellow wolf or gain an ally by speaking nicely of my vote?

Originally Posted by Boro

What were their reactions, what are you wondering about?

We both wanted her to explain why she thought so.

I think I wouldn't mind lynching her today. At least rather than Eönwë.

I'm leaving now, will be back later.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Do you have anything solid to back it up so it wouldn't look like you're just trying to make people feel uncomfortable about me?

Just the way you seemed perfectly happy to get either Sixth or me lynched.

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Are you trying to make it look like I was your fellow wolf or gain an ally by speaking nicely of my vote?

Eru forbid! I was leading up to my next post, where I list the random voters.

Originally Posted by Aganwolf

I think I wouldn't mind lynching her today. At least rather than Eönwë.

I see. A change of plans, eh?

[Nilpaurion Felagund]

++Eönwë

He remains the most suspicious for me. He hasn't done anything to assuage my suspicions from DAY 1.

That's it from me. Good DAY.

[Kitanna]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Kath random-votes. At least she's honest. Of course, a random-vote during Day 1 is nearly guaranteed not to be followed up, making it quite safe (and possibly wolf-on-wolf).

Do you think there'd be wolf-on-wolf voting so early?

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Seriously, I don't find her particularly suspicious. Eomer and Eönwë have jumped on her for jumping on Sally for jumping on Sixth... what a mess.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I saw Eönwë's vote just now... Well he did exactly what I had said he has been doing and which I think is suspicious (jumping on other's ideas) and voted for Mith. I'm not sure if he just lacks ideas or whether he might act that way as a wolf. I mean it looks just too bold to do that for a wolf.

Originally Posted by The Elf-warrior

++The Sixth Wizard

If this is suspicious so be it.

Random or not you must have known Sixth wizard had garnered a fair number of votes already.

Originally Posted by Boro

Yesterday Nerwen looked like an easy target for the wolves, today I'm not so sure. She's still posting frequently, but the posts are all empty.

A worrying truth indeed. Nerwen's posts are one liners, ICs, with an occasional post that clarifies or half-heatedly accuses.

Votes
Early votes
Form
Kit

Votes that spread it out
Form
Kit
Sally
Mith
Eomer
Kath
Ka
Durelin
These are the first/only to cast a vote for a specific person.

"Bandwagoners"
Eonwe
Boro
Rikae
Elf-warrior
Nerwen
Agan
Noggie

Most suspicious
Eonwe- Voted not long after Eomer for Mith based on her vote for Sally who was the first to vote for Sixth
Boro- Next vote for Sixth
Elf-warrior- Third vote for Sixth
Agan-Tied Eonwe and Sixth, though a tie doesn't result in a double-lynch a tie remains a tie. If nothing else it confuses and muddles things especially close to deadline.
This is based purely on when and how they voted for, not their reasoning behind it.

Agan & Eonwe's look the most suspicious to me based on timing. Though I'm going to read through their posts before deciding fully how I feel about either.

edit: adding spaces

[Kitanna]

Eonwe-
He makes note of Nogrod, Nerwen, and Form as the spammer around the 58th post.

++Mithalwen

Because of the way she posts, as if she's hiding behind hersef being IC but not at the same time. Hard to explain what I mean. Also, her attitude seems slightrly suspicious

I don't buy it. I feel the vote placing, the reasoning, the time, they all feel off. It all feels too neat and tidy.
Eonwe's vote comes out of the blue and it comes right after Eomer's vote for Mith.

Agan

Sixth. One post and speaks only of Nerwen, telling why we should vote for her.

This is Agan's first mention of Sixth as suspicious. Not much malice here. I said something similar in regards to Sixth's only post.

Sixth. Nothing's changed since my first post.

Again, but why? It seemed like Sixth's only post was made in jest.

Nerwen. She makes me uncomfortable and looks both guilty and innocent so I rather label her guilty. I don't know - there's something in the way she suspects people.

At this point it felt like you would have more of a case for Nerwen than Sixth.

I am planning to vote in an hour since I would love to get to sleep a bit earlier than during the last few days, and if I had to vote now it'd probably be for Sixth.

He had one IC joke in his first (and only) post, and then he accused Nerwen, half-jokingly and also with IC reasons. Wolves often throw random suspicion around and wait for someone to carry it on. That's why I'm also suspicious of Nerwen.

But if Sixth were a wolf, I'd say he'd have appeared again to defend/stir the pot elsewhere. Rather than disappearing.
In Agan's first posts there were a few of cutting down the IC chatter.

I feel uncomfortable with the way Nilp is now turning accusations from Nerwen and Sixth to people who suspect(ed) them.

Post 121 Agan votes for Sixth. It was clear that's where the vote was going. Sixth was a constant in her posts from the beginning. But the reasoning, everything based on his first and only post.

Timing wise, Eonwe looks worst. Reasoning wise, they look equal. Eonwe just jumps onto Mith after no previous mention. A constant in Agan's suspicions was Sixth so though her vote was placed in the midst of a bandwagon it was clear she had intentions to vote for Sixth.

If Agan is a hacker she's a sloppy or very clever one. I can't see a hacker basing everything on one IC post, especially after looking for people to move away from IC posts. No, that doesn't feel like a hacker to me, a spammer maybe.

Eonwe on the other hand is playing carefully. Taking up another suspicions after Mith places her vote for Sally. Yet, he never mentions her vote for Sally in his own vote. He pretty much says she "feels off" without prior mention.

[Aganzir]

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Agan-Tied Eonwe and Sixth, though a tie doesn't result in a double-lynch a tie remains a tie. If nothing else it confuses and muddles things especially close to deadline.

So I should always vote for the one who has the most votes at that moment even though I'm planning to get someone else lynched, because ties are confusing? Ai-ai, I don't buy your reasoning.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I thought it was obvious: the fact that they tried to get me lynched for saying that.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Just the way you seemed perfectly happy to get either Sixth or me lynched.

I might have troubles with my memory, but I cannot remember trying to get you lynched on day 1. Why? Because I didn't even consider voting for you then.
I suspected you, though not as much as today. I was accusing you. But I found it unlikely that I would end up voting for you. If I don't have any very strong suspicions I rather vote for the more silent one.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I see. A change of plans, eh?

Which plans?

Nerwen has been talking more or less nonsense to a scary extent (and I'm not referring to chatspeak now ). There's definitely something uncharacteristical in her behaviour - random accusations, poor reasoning, twisting the truth...

Originally Posted by Kitanna

Again, but why? It seemed like Sixth's only post was made in jest.

Because that post was suspicious. Had it been wolfish, if people had started suspecting Nerwen it would have been easy for Sixth to continue it; if not, if he had got suspected for it himself, he could have said it was merely a jest.

Originally Posted by Kitanna

But if Sixth were a wolf, I'd say he'd have appeared again to defend/stir the pot elsewhere. Rather than disappearing.

He's one of the quieter players anyway so I wouldn't have counted on that.

Originally Posted by Form

Agan's vote, rightly or wrongly, strikes me in such a way as to suggest a similar attitude towards the likelihood of analysing a wolf out of the struggle, and while definitely not random, it's almost as if she's voting for Sixth with the attitude of "if we can't find a wolf, let's at least get rid of the deadwood"

*gives Form a cookie*

My list right now looks like this:

Guilty
Nerwen for reasons mentioned, and my favourite lynching candidate for today.
Nilp for reasons mentioned.
EW. I don't like him, either. But I'd like to point out that, if I remember correctly, the last time I played with him he was suspected for pretty much the same reasons and was innocent, so although suspicious, his behaviour isn't necessarily wolfish. But he definitely isn't of much help to the village, and if those are to be lynched, it should be done early. I'm too lazy to dig deeper into his posts right now to search for clearly wolfish vibes, but mostly because of my opinion expressed in the previous sentence he gets onto the list.

Innocent
Boro because he speaks sense and I agree with him too much.
Rikae because she speaks sense and I agree with her too much, although this worries me a bit. I have a feeling I should suspect her.
Mithalwen because she just looks innocent (although she hasn't claimed innocence yet).
Shasta strikes me as innocent, and as he's helpful, I'd rather not lynch him.
Eomer. I think I could actually say the same - I think quite the same way as he, so I won't be going after him at least for a while.
Ka, for now. I have this naive idea that she might not suspect me if she was a wolf. Well, not that she did it that much, but... Though I will be keeping an eye on her since she can be very cunning.
Nogrod feels innocent enough to get on the list, but I don't trust him.
Eönwë. I can't see anything that suspicious about him. Maybe because he's still relatively new to ww and somehow I believe he would be more apparent if a wolf.

Neither
Kitanna. I admit she has valid points in suspecting me, but I can't really trust anyone I know for sure is accusing an innocent.
Kath. Where is she?
Durelin. Where is she?
sally. No idea.
Form leaves me baffled.

edit: xed with Ka