Werewolf XLVIII: When Virtual Becomes Reality - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Nogrod · 07-15-2008, 01:52 PM

Just a short one here...

I like the way Aganzir works now - and seems to make sense. And what she said affirms some bad feelings I've had with Rikae.

Now try to bear with me. I'll try to explain.

There's in a way no problem with her, she plays nice, considerate, reasonable... but somehow I'm not able to trust her - it's like with Kitanna... I could say the same of her as well.

But I'm also still a bit worried about Eönwë. The kill of Kath (which took two Nights) is kind of out of the blue looking at her posts - unless she hit it right with her "this is totally random, hey it's Day1, totally random..." etc. behaviour. I'd think wolves like Mith or Boro would jump on that (not discussing now who the original wolves were, and anyhow at least one of them was) and think her a seer who had luckily got it right...

Arrgghh!

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-15-2008, 02:38 PM

Aganzir's post just there (the detailed one) is a good read. Reminds me of that post by Boro I praised a couple of days ago. What does that tell me?

Nogrod, I too am seeing a lot of sense in what Aganzir posts; this is why I'm especially sensitive to the idea of her stringing us along. I agree with her the first few days; then she looks really suspicious; now she speaks more sense again. She's tricksy.

Could go either way with her.

No indication of who I'm going to hunt (and not only because I have absolutely no idea yet who I'll choose!). I know I wasn't able to contribute today but I'll hopefully be able to do a lot more tomorrow (in the night -- I need to look at the Formendacil stuff) and the next day too -- or, failing that, kill the wolf who dares disturb my slumber.

Nogrod · 07-15-2008, 02:59 PM

Okay. Here are the votes (Days 1 and 2 by courtesy of Mr. Nilp Felagund).

I've bolded the votes of those yet alive.

I've italicized the votes of those known to be wolves at least at some point of the game (so not taking sides to the question who was turned)

Sally's votes are underlined - she had bad intentions but only the knowledge of an ordo...

Votes from Day1

Form - Nogrod (Nogrod - 1)
Kit - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1)
sally - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1)
Erenor - sally (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1)
Eomer - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 1)
Eönwë - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2)
Kath - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1)
THE Ka - Rikae (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1)
Durelin - Kit (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Boro - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Nilp - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Rikae - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
EW - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Nerwen - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Agan - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 4, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)
Nogrod - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 5, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1)

Votes from Day2

Nilp - Eönwë (Eönwë - 1)
Kit - Agan (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1)
Erenor - EW (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
THE Ka - Eönwë (Eönwë - 2, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
EW - Eönwë (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 1)
Form - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 2)
Eomer - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 3)
Shasta - Eönwë (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 3)
Eönwë - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 4)
Rikae - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 5)
Nerwen - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 6)
Sally - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 7)
Boro - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 8)
Agan - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9)
Nogrod - Kit (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9, Kit - 1)

Votes from Day 3

Aganzir -> Nilp
Mith -> Nogrod
Rikae -> Formendacil
Nilp -> null vote
Kitanna -> Eönwë
Eomer -> Nilp (Nilp2, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1)
Shasta -> Eomer (Nilp2, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer1)
Eönwë -> Nilp (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer1)
Form -> Eomer (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2)
Boro -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith1)
Dury -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith2)
Nog -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith3)
Sally -> Nilp (Nilp4, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith3)

From Day 4

Kitanna – Mith
Eomer – Shasta
Mith – Shasta (Mith1, Shasta2)
Eönwë – Mith (Mith2, Shasta2)
Rikae – Formendacil (Mith2, Shasta2, Form1)
Sally – Formendacil (Mith2, Shasta2, Form2)
Nogrod – Mith (Mith3, Shasta2, Form2)
Form – Mith (Mith4, Shasta2, Form2)
Boro – Shasta (Mith4, Shasta3, Form2)
Aganzir – Form (Mith4, Shasta3, Form3)
Shasta – Form (Mith4, Shasta3, Form4)

Day 5

Aganzir -> Kitanna
Kitanna – Shasta
Shasta reveals
Rikae -> Aganzir
Boro “reveals”
Boro -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta2, Aganzir1)
Shasta -> Boro (Kitanna1, Shasta2, Aganzir1, Boro1)
Eomer -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta3, Aganzir1, Boro1)
Form -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta4, Aganzir1, Boro1)
Nogrod -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta5, Aganzir1, Boro1)

Rikae · 07-15-2008, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aganzir

Somehow it looks like she knew there would not be a competing claim (since Shasta was the ranger). If you have suspected him yourself, didn't it occur to you that he might have just been bluffing in order to out the ranger, since he was heavily suspected?

I don't even understand this. Why should I have? I didn't even realize the ranger could protect himself until after Boro mentioned it, and I just assumed any false ranger would be discovered by his survival, as usual. If Shasta were a false ranger, I certainly didn't see any reason why the real ranger should put himself on the wolves' menu that night just to reveal a wolf who would be caught anyway. I still didn't understand it after Boro's revelation.
Now, why are you seemingly convinced that what Boro did made perfect sense - so much so that I should expect someone to do it, and so much that he could have expected his fellow wolf to do it if that wolf were around? To me, his stunt looks, frankly, nutty.

Nogrod · 07-15-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Aganzir's post just there (the detailed one) is a good read. Reminds me of that post by Boro I praised a couple of days ago. What does that tell me?

Exactly my thoughts as well... and all the effort she needs to go through posting only from a library...

Nogrod · 07-15-2008, 03:17 PM

I didn't find Eönwë voting yesterDay. Just a RL problem or frightened to take sides?

Eönwë has voted for Mith twice though (Days 1 and 4).

Rikae voted for Nerwen to bring her even with VI, Mith and Eönwë on Day2. After that she has been after Form and now Aganzir...

If there is a turned wolf alive I'd say Rikae would fit the description... and her crusade to spread the votes away from Mith would fit the picture.

With Agan's votes I'm just disagreeing! She has played it very safe and it all looks cunningly so - the thing she accuses Kit of - and only lately has been a deciding factor... Hard to say now.

Kitanna has voted for two different wolves...

Aganzir · 07-15-2008, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

With Agan's votes I'm just disagreeing! She has played it very safe and it all looks cunningly so

Guess how stupid I'm considering myself when looking at my votes.

Aganzir · 07-15-2008, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogrod

There's in a way no problem with her, she plays nice, considerate, reasonable... but somehow I'm not able to trust her - it's like with Kitanna... I could say the same of her as well.

I had the same problem with Rikae on the first days, but then I just found myself agreeing with her so much that I couldn't really suspect her anymore... I should probably go back and see which things we agreed on (like, was she, too, sure about Nilp's guilt?).

And somehow I'm not so sure about Kitanna anymore. She has started to look like the kind of person whom I always suspect, rather than a real wolf. I don't know - somehow I'm just more concerned about Rikae and Eönwë now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nog

and all the effort she needs to go through posting only from a library...

Actually, I haven't had to go to the library yet - only one of my best friends is getting totally annoyed with me hanging on her laptop, at her house, typing ww posts for hours and being ready "soon, I just must do yet this" (she's nodding contently at this passage).

**

My list has got a new look.

Guilty, from the most to the least guilty-looking
Rikae. The reasons she's going after me aren't pretty convincing - on the first glance it looks like they are proper ones, but they don't bear further looking (my case looks forced, that grinning episode is creepy, whatever), they're just nicely phrased. Plus the things I mentioned in that post of mine which handled Mith & Boro's connections.
Eönwë. When did he become silent? After day 2 or 3? Where is he now? I think his connections with Mith and Boro are a bit fishy. I remember considering him innocent earlier, a great part of my reasoning being that a newbie wolf would probably be more apparent. However, I'm not so sure about him anymore.
Kitanna. I don't really know about her. I'm not nearly as confident about her as yesterday, but I'm not ready to consider her innocent yet, either.

Innocent
Eomer
Nogrod. If he's a wolf I promise to do the dishes for him when we go to their summer cottage because then I totally deserve it.

Okay, I'm heading home now.

edit: xed with Nogrods

07-15-2008, 01:52 PM	#1
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Just a short one here... I like the way Aganzir works now - and seems to make sense. And what she said affirms some bad feelings I've had with Rikae. Now try to bear with me. I'll try to explain. There's in a way no problem with her, she plays nice, considerate, reasonable... but somehow I'm not able to trust her - it's like with Kitanna... I could say the same of her as well. But I'm also still a bit worried about Eönwë. The kill of Kath (which took two Nights) is kind of out of the blue looking at her posts - unless she hit it right with her "this is totally random, hey it's Day1, totally random..." etc. behaviour. I'd think wolves like Mith or Boro would jump on that (not discussing now who the original wolves were, and anyhow at least one of them was) and think her a seer who had luckily got it right... Arrgghh! __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

07-15-2008, 02:38 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Aganzir's post just there (the detailed one) is a good read. Reminds me of that post by Boro I praised a couple of days ago. What does that tell me? Nogrod, I too am seeing a lot of sense in what Aganzir posts; this is why I'm especially sensitive to the idea of her stringing us along. I agree with her the first few days; then she looks really suspicious; now she speaks more sense again. She's tricksy. Could go either way with her. No indication of who I'm going to hunt (and not only because I have absolutely no idea yet who I'll choose!). I know I wasn't able to contribute today but I'll hopefully be able to do a lot more tomorrow (in the night -- I need to look at the Formendacil stuff) and the next day too -- or, failing that, kill the wolf who dares disturb my slumber. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-15-2008, 02:59 PM	#3
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	Okay. Here are the votes (Days 1 and 2 by courtesy of Mr. Nilp Felagund). I've bolded the votes of those yet alive. I've italicized the votes of those known to be wolves at least at some point of the game (so not taking sides to the question who was turned) Sally's votes are underlined - she had bad intentions but only the knowledge of an ordo... Votes from Day1 Form - Nogrod (Nogrod - 1) Kit - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1) sally - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1) Erenor - sally (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1) Eomer - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 1) Eönwë - Mith (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2) Kath - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1) THE Ka - Rikae (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1) Durelin - Kit (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 1, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) Boro - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 1, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) Nilp - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 1, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) Rikae - Nerwen (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 2, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) EW - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 2, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) Nerwen - Eönwë (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 3, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) Agan - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 4, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) Nogrod - VI (Nogrod - 1, Nerwen - 2, VI - 5, sally - 1, Mith - 2, Eönwë - 3, Rikae - 1, Kit - 1) Votes from Day2 Nilp - Eönwë (Eönwë - 1) Kit - Agan (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1) Erenor - EW (Eönwë - 1, Agan - 1, EW - 1) THE Ka - Eönwë (Eönwë - 2, Agan - 1, EW - 1) EW - Eönwë (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 1) Form - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 2) Eomer - EW (Eönwë - 3, Agan - 1, EW - 3) Shasta - Eönwë (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 3) Eönwë - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 4) Rikae - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 5) Nerwen - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 6) Sally - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 7) Boro - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 8) Agan - EW (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9) Nogrod - Kit (Eönwë - 4, Agan - 1, EW - 9, Kit - 1) Votes from Day 3 Aganzir -> Nilp Mith -> Nogrod Rikae -> Formendacil Nilp -> null vote Kitanna -> Eönwë Eomer -> Nilp (Nilp2, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1) Shasta -> Eomer (Nilp2, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer1) Eönwë -> Nilp (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer1) Form -> Eomer (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2) Boro -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith1) Dury -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith2) Nog -> Mith (Nilp3, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith3) Sally -> Nilp (Nilp4, Nogrod1, Form1, Eönwë1, Eomer2, Mith3) From Day 4 Kitanna – Mith Eomer – Shasta Mith – Shasta (Mith1, Shasta2) Eönwë – Mith (Mith2, Shasta2) Rikae – Formendacil (Mith2, Shasta2, Form1) Sally – Formendacil (Mith2, Shasta2, Form2) Nogrod – Mith (Mith3, Shasta2, Form2) Form – Mith (Mith4, Shasta2, Form2) Boro – Shasta (Mith4, Shasta3, Form2) Aganzir – Form (Mith4, Shasta3, Form3) Shasta – Form (Mith4, Shasta3, Form4) Day 5 Aganzir -> Kitanna Kitanna – Shasta Shasta reveals Rikae -> Aganzir Boro “reveals” Boro -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta2, Aganzir1) Shasta -> Boro (Kitanna1, Shasta2, Aganzir1, Boro1) Eomer -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta3, Aganzir1, Boro1) Form -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta4, Aganzir1, Boro1) Nogrod -> Shasta (Kitanna1, Shasta5, Aganzir1, Boro1) __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet... Last edited by Nogrod; 07-15-2008 at 03:03 PM.

07-15-2008, 03:17 PM	#6
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	I didn't find Eönwë voting yesterDay. Just a RL problem or frightened to take sides? Eönwë has voted for Mith twice though (Days 1 and 4). Rikae voted for Nerwen to bring her even with VI, Mith and Eönwë on Day2. After that she has been after Form and now Aganzir... If there is a turned wolf alive I'd say Rikae would fit the description... and her crusade to spread the votes away from Mith would fit the picture. With Agan's votes I'm just disagreeing! She has played it very safe and it all looks cunningly so - the thing she accuses Kit of - and only lately has been a deciding factor... Hard to say now. Kitanna has voted for two different wolves... __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...