Ooh la la, Lúthien...

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Originally Posted by alatar

I must have missed something ... as didn't Morgoth fall asleep?

He did, but as I remember it (being without both Lost Tales and Silm at the moment) it wasn't because of boredom, like a chav falling asleep in a dark movie theater having to watch "You've Got Mail" with his girlfriend, rather because Morgoth, very uncharacteristically, allowed himself to get filled with dark thoughts of sexual desire, thus letting his guard down and giving Luthen the chance to put him to sleep with her cloak. At least that's how I interpret the incident. Especially The Lost Tales-version is very suggestive, of course in an understated way.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by skip spence

He did, but as I remember it (being without both Lost Tales and Silm at the moment) it wasn't because of boredom, like a chav falling asleep in a dark movie saloon having to watch "You've Got Mail" with his girlfriend, rather because he, very uncharacteristically, allowed himself to get filled with dark thoughts of sexual desire, thus letting his guard down and giving Luthen the chance to put him to sleep with her cloak. At least that's how I interpret the incident. Especially The Lost Tales-version is very suggestive, of course in an understated way.

If that's how you would want to read it. To me, sleep and excitement are usually two different roads.

In mocking Morgoth in another thread, I noted that the 'Lord of Arda' had the hottest elf in time and space in his proverbial bedroom/lounge, and couldn't pull off the deal, so to speak.

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Originally Posted by alatar

To me, sleep and excitement are usually two different roads.

Not nessesarily different roads, rather different stops on the same road with the first one mentioned usually coming after the other ... err sorry about that... Tolkien is great anyway

[Bêthberry]

Re: sleep and excitement.

I don't recall that Morgoth lit up any ciggies.

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

Re: sleep and excitement.

I don't recall that Morgoth lit up any ciggies.

I've tried to stay away from the obvious, but note that Morgoth became ever sleepier the more that Luthien danced (i.e. He didn't *suddenly* have the desire to sleep).

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Jokes aside, Morgoth and his court were getting sleepy because Luthien was putting a spell on them to be able to finally deliver the coup de grace with her magic cloak. I assume the singing and dancing, while certainly part of the spell, was also a way of distracting Morgoth from what was actually going on. He probably could have snapped out of it when he first started to feel drowsy, seeing his Balrogs and what not yawning in their chairs, but he just couldn't take his eyes off the luscious Luthien before it was too late. Oh what humiliation! Waking up alone and confused without even a taste of the action, and worst of all robbed, robbed of a silmaril of all things!

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by alatar

I've tried to stay away from the obvious, but note that Morgoth became ever sleepier the more that Luthien danced (i.e. He didn't *suddenly* have the desire to sleep).

It wasn't an obvious comment at all but a test to see if anyone would point out that cigarettes would be an anachronism in Middle-earth, tobacco being called pipeweed.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Oh what humiliation! Waking up alone and confused without even a taste of the action, and worst of all robbed, robbed of a silmaril of all things!

Well, it's not like he could have been robbed of his virtue, is it?

[alatar]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

It wasn't an obvious comment at all but a test to see if anyone would point out that cigarettes would be an anachronism in Middle-earth, tobacco being called pipeweed.

Oh, sure, now that you point that out, your intent is obvious. Silly me; failed again.

"Curse you forever, Fingolfin!" Melkor said, seated on his dark throne as Luthien danced. He looked down at his lame foot, knowing that he'd never square dance ever again.