Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Folwren]

Thanks for making all clear, Nogrod.

I'd love to write a community post. But I'm flexible and even if I'm not happy, I won't complain.

Is the archery on horseback?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Is the archery on horseback?

If you wish. More of a challenge to Garmund and Cnebba!!! (I'm not sure Modtryth would be happy with that but if it's lord Eodwine's counsel she would agree... and Stigend would rejoice!!! )

[Folwren]

Would they still be working on the archery a month later?

Elempi, will more stones need to be gathered as the building progresses? I had thought of something that I could do during one of the stone gathering expeditions, but I see in your post that many stones have already been quarried and shaped. If that's all they'll need, that's fine, but if more will be brought in, I'd like to do something in it.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Would they still be working on the archery a month later?

Certainly... You don't learn that in a month... and Javan would learn more himself as he's required to teach and thence forced to think of the things he knows... and which he himself learns while teaching... and some passers-by (anyone interested to post on that?) might give them some advice (who could resist the chance of teaching youngsters with the arrows if they knew the trade?).

Elempi, will more stones need to be gathered as the building progresses? I had thought of something that I could do during one of the stone gathering expeditions, but I see in your post that many stones have already been quarried and shaped. If that's all they'll need, that's fine, but if more will be brought in, I'd like to do something in it.

Just my opinion. This will be a gargantuan enterprise so nothing's enough...

There's clearly no wood enough to build the Mead Hall so it needs to be made of stones as lord Eodwine foresaw... But just try to figure out the number of stones which it would take a host of men to heave up and carry and then for some (two persons basically - well Stigend and a few soldiers might learn it...) - to mould and get it right. And then think of a great hall... It's not a month or two but longer...

Just my opinion calling for realism...


EDIT: X'd with Foley... Let's see to it...

[Nogrod]

I just read your post with Javan, Foley.

Great!

It looks very good to me and I hope the others agree.

There is a host of chances how we could make the things evolve to any direction we wish...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

There is a host of chances how we could make the things evolve to any direction we wish...

Looking at Foley's latest post: Cnebba is eight!

An easy way to bring this to a good drama! Cnebba knows how to ride Snowstreak to be sure but to shoot arrows while riding... at the age of eight?

Now he's sure Snowstreak has changed after the fire to become so much more easily startled - one of the reasons he has hated Javan so much as Snowstreak had always been dear to him - and will blame javan for it. And he's not erred in that: the horse has changed in the hands of a young bloke even if it can still behave - about - with the adults!

In a sense his claim is a rightful one (and it might need admitting by those who have power over him?) but surely he uses it to distract the notice away from his own failures...

[Gwathagor]

Well, Groin, I had originally expected Crabannan and Erbrand to become good friends, but I'm having fun with this. Maybe something will bring them together as well - mirroring the story of Javan and Co...interesting...

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Would they still be working on the archery a month later?

Certainly.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

This will be a gargantuan enterprise so nothing's enough...

Quite.

Originally Posted by Foley

Elempi, will more stones need to be gathered as the building progresses? I had thought of something that I could do during one of the stone gathering expeditions, but I see in your post that many stones have already been quarried and shaped. If that's all they'll need, that's fine, but if more will be brought in, I'd like to do something in it.

Not having expected Nain the Dwarf to arrive in Scarburg, the story I told was that the stones needed had been gathered and shaped. But a Dwarf would know better and not be shy about saying so. So Formy, don't be shy. Then Foley can do her idea with Thornden.

Originally Posted by foley

I don't know how it works in real life with real kids. As time moved on, I imagine they would grow used to each other, but perhaps not friendly. I'm thinking that that's where they are at this point.

When you have three people, whether children or adults, and they aren't necessarily getting along, you will have something called "triangulation". Two of them join together as the "in" pair, leaving the 3rd person "out". And WHO is OUT can change. One possibility is that Cnebba will turn out to be better at archery than Garmund, and Javan and that better archer will form the new pair. Then it may turn out that Garmund is better at horseback archery than Cnebba (partly because of Snowstreak being more easily spooked now), and the IN pair will again switch. And then something else might happen to put Javan on the OUT again. All of this kind of triangulation will keep repeating itself until SOMETHING, as Foley suggested, draws the threesome together as a unit in which they become aware that each of the three has value for the unit of three. That doesn't have to happen right away for these three. I think it might be more interesting to explore the triangulation in its various possibilities before resolving them into a threeway friendship. But a question: what of Lys?

Foley, your thoughts on how to handle horses are most certainly appreciated as it makes this "pretend" rpg more realistic.

Okay, now to read these new posts. If anything I've said above is already not doable because of what I haven't read yet, no problem. But I'm not going to delete what I've already written.

EDIT: Okay, no reason to worry about deleting a thing.

Regarding Dan, Scyld, and Eodwine

The PM built post is not happening so far, presumably beause Eonwe is busy with RL. In any case, I want to cover what I'm thinking about how things will have played out.

With Dan keeping his promise to Oeric, and Scyld in the know (cahoots) about that, Dan brings Scyld aka Nydfara to Eodwine. Eodwine, it just so happens, has seen Nydfara/Scyld before. He had brought a young woman with him to the Eorling Mead Hall, posing under another name, and had turned out to be a spy. I'll have to check the Abduction story to determine whether Eodwine had seen him on the Scar with Linduial toward the end of that story. At any rate, Eodwine will have a sense that he's seen him before. If he only saw him at the EOH, he will have a negative association but not be able to place it: STRIKE ONE. Dan brings Nydfara to Eodwine as the spy who has been lurking and now been caught: STRIKE TWO. Dan says that Nydfara has rescued him from the mire: "BALL ONE".

ANOTHER EDIT: Scyld was not seen by Eodwine at the Scar with Linduial.

So using my batter at the plate analogy, the "count" is against Nydfara but as yet undecided.

Eodwine will ask Nydfara, "why did you keep yourself hidden and only come when Dan brought you?"

Firefoot, what would Nydfara's answer be?

[Firefoot]

Eodwine will ask Nydfara, "why did you keep yourself hidden and only come when Dan brought you?"

Firefoot, what would Nydfara's answer be?

He will reply that he is a wanderer unaware of recent news and unaware of the Eorl's arrival to the area, and that he did not know that the armed man who called after him was more than a brigand.

[Formendacil]

Post up. All the usual fine-prints about abused characters apply... ie. see me and I will fix.

Groin and Gwathagor, you have the use of Náin until such time as Thorden and/or Eodwine show up to discuss the masonry and construction. Gwath mentioned to me that Crabannan and Náin might have met in Dale. If so, Náin's memory has yet to be jogged, but it could be interesting if it is... I doubt my Dwarf would care much for Crabby, though, and in any case, he's likely to side with Erbrand more than Crabannan where Kara might be concerned.

I can't give you all day, though, because Náin's first priority is to stonework, so when Thorden or Eodwine join or send for him, he'll be off for that. How long that takes... well... let's let the day decide.

As far that goes, LMP and Foley, I have ideas that can easily result in an opinionated Dwarf-mason thinking they've made a good start, but that there's a whole lot of improvement that can be made if Eodwine wants a truly grand burg, which should play well into Foley's hopes for more stone-seeking. And, in any case, given the numbers involved in Eodwine's camp, I highly doubt they would have enough cut stone, in a single month, to complete a Mead Hall. Maybe to start one... but Náin doubts it.

And... that's probably enough to be getting on with for now, but if Kath wants something to do other than bake and cook, Náin would probably be happy to see her, and wax lovingly on the Glittering Caves.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Formendacil

...I doubt my Dwarf would care much for Crabby, though...

Not many people do, I think.

Oh, Form - Erbrand and Crabannan are not at the kitchen. They are outside of their tents. I'm afraid that messes up your post a bit. Sorry!

[littlemanpoet]

I've posted for Harreld, with an opening for anyone who wants his or her character to show up at the smithy this Morning.

[Folwren]

Excellent post, Nogrod. Quite interesting. I'll write sometime and decide exactly what is happening.

Anguish may not be appropraite for just now, but I guess we'll find out.

Can't write any more now. So long.

-- Fol

[Folwren]

Nogrod or Lommy can take it from there. I DID write a post where nothing really happened and Javan just scolded them, but then I decided it'd be more interesting and would make more sense if something else happened...explain the boys' anxiety a little. This may do it.

They should be happy it wasn't someone else. Garstan's nice.