Scarburg Meadhall Discussion Thread

[Eönwë]

Dan is going to be very tired...

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld
Riddles Dan, Eodwine
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld,
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand
Build a fire Dan
Wheel barrow race
Rope climbing Erbrand

But wouldn't rope climbing be part of the task-path?

And, what about, as Folwren said, boardgames?

[Groin Redbeard]

Thanks for that insightful post, Nogrod. Although I pictured Rohan's government to be similar it helps to have people spell it out. I also like the idea about the landowner thing. We could possibly turn that into a minor rebellion of the surfs!

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld
Riddles Dan, Eodwine
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld,
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Modryth, Cnebba, Garmund
Build a fire Dan
Wheel barrow race
Rope climbing Erbrand

OK, I've added your characters to the list, Nogrod.

[Firefoot]

Don't forget Leof in the horse racing!

Yet to be determined if Scyld/Nydfara will enter dagger-throwing. It's always been a skill he was keen to hide...

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I think Stigend and Modryth might take part in the three legged race, as well as Cnebba and Garmund. And if Modryth declines then it should be Stigend and Garstan - so fathers vs. their sons...

Nah, she would do no games. She's just roll her eyes at such nonsense and let Stigend compete with his friend... So Groin please, replace Modtryth with Garstan. (Besides, I think that will be quite funny... )

[Kath]

And add in Kara and Ginna to the three-legged if you would, I'll check with Lhuna that I can use Ginna. Frodides will be with Modtryth on the eye rolling.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

I also like the idea about the landowner thing. We could possibly turn that into a minor rebellion of the surfs!

Yes, and we all know what happened King Canute of England tried to command the waves...

[Folwren]

Okay, I think it's time I decided what games my characters are taking part in.

Archery Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Javan
Racing on foot
Stone Throwing
Wrestling
Dueling Thornden
Quarterstaff-fight Thornden
Javelin Throwing Thornden
Riddles Javan
Sack-fight
Dagger-throwing Saeryn
Task-path Javan
Rope-tie race Javan, Saeryn
Build a fire Saeryn
Wheel barrow race Javan
Rope climbing

I've got a couple questions about certain things.

What is a Sack fight?
What will people be dueling with? Were practice swords decided upon?
What is included in the Task-path (is that relay race of sorts?)
Is Stone Throwing a contest to see who can throw the largest stone or who can aim most accurately with a stone?

[littlemanpoet]

I cross posted with Foley.

Originally Posted by Folwren

I've got a couple questions about certain things.

What is a Sack fight?
What will people be dueling with? Were practice swords decided upon?
What is included in the Task-path (is that relay race of sorts?)
Is Stone Throwing a contest to see who can throw the largest stone or who can aim most accurately with a stone?

I'm not sure what a sack fight is - do you fill a sack with straw and beat each other with it until one leaves the circle?

Let the dueling be with practice swords. You made a good case for it, Foley.

What do we WANT in the task-path? Start saying what it will be, friends!

Stone throwing should not be confused with shot put, which began when cannons were invented. That would be anachronistic. I could imagine that there might be heavy stone LIFTING. But stone throwing ought to be a distance and accuracy thing, I think.

[Nogrod]

Btw. This wil keep us going for ages... Just look at the number of games.

But I think it will be fun anyway.

Originally Posted by lmp

Therefore: everything that Nogrod says is true to a point - so long as we don't adhere to it too rigidly.

Exactly. As you say, this is Middle-Emnet, not continental Europe or British Isles from real history.


Foley: I think I explained the sack-fight somewhere not so long ago. I think it has been quite popular at least in Scandinavia and I'd be surprised if it was not known in other places as well.

If we're going to have a duelling game it should be played with practice swords or wooden ones or something like that.

The task-path was an idea of mine as well and I've speculated of it's contents in a few post lately but as there seems to be little interest to it - even if I think it would be something interesting to write - so we might be skipping it anyway.

I'd say the stone-throwing should be an aiming competition. But why not have the kind of shot-put game as well?


Haha! X'd with lmp...

[Nogrod]

The battle arena: A log that has been hoisted to a meter or 1½ meter high, about. In the beginning the competants stand at the ends of the log facing each other.

The weapons: A big sack filled with straws, hay, whatever light substance (sand is too heavy). Both fighters have one.

The aim of the game: To stay standing on the log and drop the other one down. To not loose your sack.

Additional rules: None. Everyhing's allowed. But as you need to keep your balance and have a medium heavy sack in your hand there's little room for anything else but trying to beat the other one down with your sack or encouraging the other one to swing the sack in a way the momentum of the swing imbalances the opponent enough to bring her/him down with it.

Winning conditions: The first one to touch the ground or to lose her/his sack is the loser.

Additional information: This is a fun game so hurting the opponent is not the aim. Making a full swing will quite obviusly just inbalance yourself. It has been historically something people have done in the market-days and other public festivities. And if I have my history right also females and kids have been playing it. So it's not a competition where we see who's who but where we can laugh together to the ways how people drop from the log or how they try to keep their balance and look funny.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by me #667

How about a competition which would include different tasks to perform? I mean tasks that would require agility, firmness of hand, wit and such. It might even be a game for all (also males and kids) as there might be interesting results. The tasks could be something like climbing to get a required object, pebble-throwing, building from pieces of wood a tower of a required height so that it doesn't collapse, figuring out any sort of puzzles, running/crawling/jumping through a track with different obstacles etc.

Or something like that.

Originally Posted by me #675

With the task-path I mean something like running for a hundred yards then climbing to get an item from the top of a tree or something. Then running again to build a tower from pieces of wood or something and running yet again to build a tent from scratch - and running yet again etc... We could come up with the particular tasks together. And the competants should run in circles somewhat so that the audience might see their performances all the time - and the first to come back after fulfilling all the tasks would be the winner...

Okay. These are my ideas. I could come up with more but what say you? If it feels too complicated or doesn't get any participants we can surely skip it. But let's see if we get good ideas and it starts to sound interesting enough.

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Okay. These are my ideas. I could come up with more but what say you? If it feels too complicated or doesn't get any participants we can surely skip it. But let's see if we get good ideas and it starts to sound interesting enough.

I say that we combine the wheelbarrow racing and the rope climbing with the task-path. I think it would be easier if we have those all added into one game instead of having them sperate.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

Btw. This wil keep us going for ages... Just look at the number of games.

Maybe we should cut it down. Or, we could just mention the results of some of the games, rather than narrate ALL of them, which would indeed take ages, especially with so many people involved.

How do we decide who wins which game?

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

How do we decide who wins which game?

We'll fight that over in here...



I like Groin's idea of putting the wheelbarrow-race and rope-climbing into the "task-path" (we should indeed come up with a better name for it). And the lighting of fire incorporated into it would be both logical and good.

Any other twists or turns to the game?

One idea relating to this would be that this game could be the last one and the competants should build their fires very near each other (like a meter away from each other) so that when the game is over all the fires could be united and that would be the celebration-fire to sing and drink around for good games and the advancement of the building work.

[Folwren]

I thought the wheelbarrow race was where each person had a partner, one partern got down on the ground in the position as though he were going to do a push up, and then his partner takes his ankles and with his feet thus held, and his hands on the ground, the contestant teams race across a certain distance. Then the partners switch places and everyone races back.

I've played this once - it was fun.

EDIT: Groin, add Javan to the sack-fight.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Folwren

Groin, add Javan to the sack-fight.

As well as Cnebba and Garmund... and yes, Stigend...

[Groin Redbeard]

Originally Posted by Thinlomien

Nah, she would do no games. She's just roll her eyes at such nonsense and let Stigend compete with his friend... So Groin please, replace Modtryth with Garstan. (Besides, I think that will be quite funny... )

Sounds good, I'll also add Folwren's character's to the list.

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine, Leof
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden
Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Riddles
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn
Build a fire Dan, Saeryn
Wheel barrow raceJavan
Rope climbing Erbrand

Just for some clearification, the Stone Throwing contest is where each contestant has a stone roughely the same weight and try to throw it the farthest and the straightest.

[Groin Redbeard]

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine, Leof
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld, Erbrand
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden
Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Riddles
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan, Javan, Cnebba, Garmund, Stigend,
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn, Kara, Ginna
Build a fire Dan, Saeryn
Wheel barrow race Javan
Rope climbing Erbrand

[Groin Redbeard]

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan, Saeryn
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine, Leof
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld, Erbrand
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine
Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden
Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Javan
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan, Javan, Cnebba, Garmund, Stigend,
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn, Kara, Ginna
Build a fire Dan, Saeryn
Wheel barrow race Javan
Rope climbing Erbrand

[littlemanpoet]

Call this my modest proposal to organize ourselves for writing these games. Obviously, we all want in, and expect to have lots of fun.

I like Fea's thoughts, and I also like Gwath's thought, and Noggie makes good points too. So here's what I have in mind.

1. We write the basic stuff here in the discussion thread.
2. Each of us volunteer to be the caretaker of a particular game.
3. Each volunteer start a post (in this thread) with his/her game in the title, with what is going to happen.
4. Each writer who has a character participating, quote the last thread of that title (thus keeping everything that was said before) and add your own thoughts to it.

So this way, Gwath's idea of assigning a writer is done, but everybody gets a chance to say what they want added in. Also, this allows for scenes, because any writer can request that a certain scene be included in the final post on the main thread.

I was going to ask us to decide what the order is going to be, but I think that what will work best is to see which game is finished being planned first, and let that be the first one.

With one stipulation: the riddle game must be at night around the bonfire, and so will be last; and I want to disclude it from this proposal since it has a different nature to it. The typical way these things work is that whoever guesses a riddle correctly, gets to offer the next one. What I'd like to suggest, regarding the riddle game, is that when a riddle is made on the story thread, we make our guesses here on the discussion thread, and decide which character is going to have the answer so that whoever is ready with a riddle can post up.

So if this plan seems acceptable to you all, please say what game you want to be caretaker of, and I'm afraid it's simply going to have to be first to claim gets it. There are 16 games, so each of us can caretake at least two each; for starters, claim one at a time so that no one hogs the two best, if you take my meaning.

If there are any problems with my proposal, please speak up. My ego isn't the important thing here - all of us enjoying this, is.

Oh, one additional consideration: racing on foot, it seems to me, should be separated between adults and children. Let the boys have their own footrace.

[Nogrod]

I could take the sack-fight...

[littlemanpoet]

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden --> __________

Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan, Saeryn, Léof--> ___________

Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine--> ___________

Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld, Erbrand --> ____________

Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld--> __________

Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine--> ________

Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden--> __________

Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden--> _________

Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Javan

Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan, Javan, Cnebba, Garmund, Stigend,--> NOGROD

Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn--> __________

Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan--> _________

Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn, Kara, Ginna--> __________

Build a fire Dan, Saeryn--> _________

Wheel barrow race Javan--> __________

Rope climbing Erbrand--> __________

I'll keep updating this list as things develop.

[Firefoot]

By the way, Leof is listed under the wrong category - he should be under horse race, not foot race...

[Folwren]

Elempi,

I used Rowenna. If anything of hers needs to be changed, please let me know. But it was imperitive that she told Saeryn that she was racing Flithaf.

-- Folwren

[littlemanpoet]

Originally Posted by Foley

Elempi, I used Rowenna. If anything of hers needs to be changed, please let me know. But it was imperitive that she told Saeryn that she was racing Flithaf.

Oh, it was, was it?

By the way, since when does Saeryn have dark red hair? I never noticed that in any description before. Do you have a way of reading the mind of Eodwine's writer, that it's one of his favorites? Out with it, I want the truth.

By the way, I'll lay claim to the wrestling matches.

UPDATED LIST:

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden --> __________

Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan, Saeryn, Léof--> FOLWREN

Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine--> ___________

Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld, Erbrand --> ____________

Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld--> ELEMPI

Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine--> ________

Quarterstaff-fight Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden--> __________

Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden--> _________

Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Javan

Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan, Javan, Cnebba, Garmund, Stigend,--> NOGROD

Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn, Scyld--> FIREFOOT

Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan--> _________

Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn, Kara, Ginna--> __________

Build a fire Dan, Saeryn--> _________

Wheel barrow race Javan--> __________

Rope climbing Erbrand--> __________

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Addition--

Does anybody know the best way to get a hold of JennyHallu? We used to talk frequently on AIM, but I haven't seen her around in a long time. I don't think she'll mind me appropriating Linduial, but I'd still prefer to ask.

[Folwren]

Elempi, I am counting on Rowenna not accepting Saeryn's offer. Maybe even taking her up on her bet. That would be funny.

Organizing the horse racing...

With only six participants and five horses running, why would they do two heats? Will they all run the horses twice and Rowenna and Eodwine switch out? Just wondering what her reasoning was.

We have six riders, four players:
Groin - Erbrand
Elempi - Eodwine
Elempi - Rowenna
Foley - Saeryn
Foley - Javan
Firefoot - Leof

Who's going to win? How close is it going to be?

May I put in my two cents about horses? Or would you rather not hear it? Better yet, before I put in my two cents, can everybody put in a description of their horse? I don't want to know what color it is, rather, what was it bred for? For instance, I know that Flithaf was bred as a war horse, and he is now a little on the elderly side (over ten). I know, also, that Saeryn's horse is a ladies riding horse, and on the younger side (probably seven or younger). That is why Saeryn said in my latest post that she bets her horse will be faster than Flithaf. Javan's horse is a short horse (13 hands) very slightly on the stocky side. Javan's is probably not going to win.

So, tell me about your horses, their age, their size, and what they were bred for. If you designed them after a particular Real Life breed, what breed did you design them after?

[Groin Redbeard]

I don't think Erbrand would last long in the sack fight, his tall figure will make it difficult for him to find balance. The only hope I can see for him is if he battles Kara or Harreld, the boys would be a toss up.

Nogrod, I took Erbrand out of the quarterstaff fighting and put him in dueling to even things out.

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan, Saeryn
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine, Leof
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld, Erbrand
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine, Erbrand
Quarterstaff-fight Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden
Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Javan
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan, Javan, Cnebba, Garmund, Stigend,
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn, Kara, Ginna, Dan, Erbrand

[Nogrod]

Update-stuff: Groin: check lmp's #775 as he merged the last games into the task-path...


I just went back to see the three soldiers (NPC's) I wrote with Stigend and at least the two young ones should take part in the "fighting games". They would love to. I also remember there being soldiers in the hunting party. Wouldn't they want to join as well?

Or do we just ignore them with the games?

I'd like to hear views on it.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Groin Redbeard

Nogrod, I took Erbrand out of the quarterstaff fighting and put him in dueling to even things out.

I wouldn't like to see people pulling out to even things out... Merely I'd like to see more people joining. And we might use those NPC's as well.

[Groin Redbeard]

All done, Nogrod. I tried put Balvir and Matrim into sports that would fit them, but I think Lithor will stay out and organize the games for the most part, he'll find it amusing watching everyone els.

Archery Erbrand, Crabannan, Garmund, Cnebba, Dan, Eodwine,Javan, Thornden, Balvir, Matrim
Horse Racing Erbrand, Eodwine, Rowenna, Javan, Saeryn
Racing on foot Erbrand, Garmund, Cnebba, Eodwine, Leof, Matrim
Stone Throwing Garmund, Cnebba, Harreld, Erbrand, Balvir, Matrim
Wrestling Crabannan, Dan, Harreld, Aethelstan, Osmund
Dueling Crabannan, Dan, Eodwine, Erbrand, Aethelstan, Osmund
Quarterstaff-fight Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Eodwine, Harreld, Thornden, Aethelstan, Osmund
Javelin Throwing Erbrand, Crabannan, Stigend, Dan, Harreld, Thornden, Aethelstan, Osmund
Riddles Dan, Eodwine, Javan
Sack-fight Harreld, Erbrand, Dan, Javan, Cnebba, Garmund, Stigend,
Dagger-throwing Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Saeryn
Task-path Rowenna, Eodwine, Harreld, Dan, Javan
Rope-tie race Eodwine, Rowenna, Erbrand, Stigend, Garstan, Cnebba, Garmund, Javan, Saeryn, Kara, Ginna, Dan, Erbrand