Tol-in-Gaurhoth XLIX - At the Source of Darkness

[Shastanis Althreduin]

I still think Phantom is a possible cobbler. Something about his "vote to save Fea" yesterday seemed very forced to me. She already had four votes to Form's three, counting his own, and I'm virtually sure Phantom can at least count that high.

No, it looks fishy to me. And trust me. I'm a roane. I know what fish smells like.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

I still think Phantom is a possible cobbler. Something about his "vote to save Fea" yesterday seemed very forced to me. She already had four votes to Form's three, counting his own, and I'm virtually sure Phantom can at least count that high.

tp has certainly managed to create plenty of confusion– I'm certainly not prepared to say he isn't a cobbler. However– to give him the benefit of the doubt– there were a whole lot of votes coming in the last few minutes, and it's very easy to lose track in that situation. *shrugs*

[the phantom]

Something about his "vote to save Fea" yesterday seemed very forced to me.

Something about me voting for Form over Fea was forced, eh?

Yeah, because goodness knows I didn't suspect Form at all.

Oh, no wait- I did. For two days.

And goodness knows I wouldn't want to save Fea, because we've never played WW together and done a couple of RPGs together and traded thousands of PMs/emails/IMs over the years.

Oh, no wait- we have.

Doesn't really seem that forced given the fact that I was on good terms with Fea and suspecting Form.

You're grasping desperately here Shasta. You worried that I'm innocent or something and want me out of the way?

She already had four votes to Form's three, counting his own, and I'm virtually sure Phantom can at least count that high.

Oh yes, because I knew for certain that my vote would be the final vote cast, because there wasn't anyone else left to vote.

Oh, no wait- six people hadn't voted yet. Which means all Fea needed to save her was ONE of those six people to come in and vote Form. Obviously it was a possibility.

Yeesh, Shasta, it's like you're not even trying.

Either that or you're trying too hard.

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by the phantom

Something about me voting for Form over Fea was forced, eh?

I assume he meant your explanation, rather than the vote itself– there wasn't much chance of saving Fea at the time you posted. But it's been known for multiple votes to come in at the absolute last second.


I can't really see anything in it.

[the phantom]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I assume he meant your explanation, rather than the vote itself– there wasn't much chance of saving Fea at the time you posted.

Well, first off, all it would have taken is one single person voting for Form and Fea would've been saved. It really wasn't that far fetched.

As far as bothering to say "I'm gonna save Fea"- that was primarily for Fea's benefit. For her to see, I mean.

[Brinniel]

Some first quick thoughts:

Possible wolves:
Durelin
Thinlómien

Possible cobblers:
Kath

Unsure:
Shastanis Althreduin
Nerwen
Nogrod
A Little Green
the phantom

Probably innocent:
Eönwë

Hmm...obviously I have some work to do...

Originally Posted by Nogrod

My conclusions about that:
Eönwe, Nerwen and Kath look more innocent than guilty because of their failures. If we're looking at the wolves they would vote everytime humanely possible.

Perhaps those who more consistently don't vote or are behind on the Days are less likely to be wolves, but just because someone isn't around or doesn't vote for one Day definitely doesn't lessen the possibilty of them being a wolf. I know when I was a wolf before I would sometimes have packmates that didn't show up and vote for whatever RL reasons (though usually it was only for one Day)...and those wolves tend to last longer because they so easily slip under the radar.

[Eönwë]

Hello. Anyone here?

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I mean, I don't believe we have two wolves in that bunch I have just quoted but I'm getting pretty sure there is at least one. Looking at the game this far looks like a classical "loudmouths kill each other and the wolves play cool and noncontroversial".

You know, I have the same feeling. But at least there's still plenty of us loudmouths around - to make cases against each other. I mean, I'm really going to look into the relationship between you and Durelin toDay, but I think I should concentrate on those who slip under my radar too...

Speaking of which...

Are awake under my reindeer
Nogrod
Shasta
Durelin
Eönwë

Doze under my reindeer
tp - Yes, tp slips under my radar, in a way. Could you believe that? But I'm so used to him being around and being like that that I really don't pay attention to him. As if he was something not to bother about, like "oh, he's an ordo or a cobbler, it will be found out sooner or later" and it's rather troubling. (I guess I'm ignoring him the same way you start to ignore constant background noises. ) I guess it's because he really doesn't seem very suspicious to me. I should just know better than to trust him.
Greenie - I think I should be a tad more critical towards her and not just trust my gut-feeling of her innocence.
Brinniel - Funny, it always crosses my mind that she's suspicious, but it never develops into a proper suspicion. It is weird. And it's bad too. If I have extra time toDay I might have a look at her posts just to see whether she truly merits suspicion or not.

Sleep under my reindeer
Kath - The only thing I that comes to my mind when I think of her in this game is: she suspects me and doesn't suspect Nogrod. And the fact that she hasn't been around much. That's not very good, is it?
Nerwen - She seemed innocent early on, so I just mentally stamped her as an innocent and if she's a wolf, that's just way too bad.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

On Day 3, seven of thirteen voted!!!
This can not be.

Yeah, that's real madness. I mean, it's totally possible that among those seven there were just three ordos and then the two wolves and two cobblers... so it is possible that more than a half of the votes given yesterDay were evil. And that indeed is a scary thought.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And who says Greenie is innocent as she writes seldomly and votes early? That's the safest position...

Here I must defend her a little. She never is a loudmouth in these games. Yet she contributes, so why complain? Not all of us want to dedicate all of our free time to ww. And as for voting early, you know the deadline is 11pm our time and that she and I share a computer. She prefers to vote a bit earlier and then leave the computer for me for the last moments, while she goes and brushes her teeth etc so she can go to sleep as soon as I stop typing, but I still have all my pre-bedtime activities to do and get to go to sleep later than she does. I'd call her behaviour understandable - who would not like to go to sleep at 11pm if they have to wake up before 7am? (Granted, it is a good cover though if she's a wolf and I do not think her role affects whether she prefers voting and going to sleep earlier or later.)

Originally Posted by Brinn

Perhaps those who more consistently don't vote or are behind on the Days are less likely to be wolves, but just because someone isn't around or doesn't vote for one Day definitely doesn't lessen the possibilty of them being a wolf. I know when I was a wolf before I would sometimes have packmates that didn't show up and vote for whatever RL reasons (though usually it was only for one Day)...and those wolves tend to last longer because they so easily slip under the radar.

I agree.

[the phantom]

Okay, I don't know how helpful this will be, but I'm going to attempt to rule out a couple of WW pairs based on the voting.

Day 1:
Leaders were proven non-Wolves. No conclusions.

Day 2:
Nerwen & Lommy probably not a pair.
Kath & Lommy probably not a pair.
Durelin & Nogrod probably not a pair.

Day 3:
Leaders were proven non-Wolves. No conclusions.