Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Mithalwen]

Sorry this is not the semi random vote I expected but Shasta and Brinniel have quieted my suspicions a little and some such as Lal haven't reappeared. Nogrod still seems off ... still wouldn't be suprised if he were a cobbler.


However - I find Gwathagor's response, to my response on his "correct me if I am wrong" re Captain of Despair baffling. How that pointing out that COD isn't an unsphisticated thinker makes me a wolf is beyond me.

Especially since he just agreed with Nogrod that it was unlikely that a COD voter were a wolf.

Sorry got to go but will vote

++Gwathagor

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

However - I find Gwathagor's response, to my response on his "correct me if I am wrong" re Captain of Despair baffling. How that pointing out that COD isn't an unsphisticated thinker makes me a wolf is beyond me.

Indeed. Who could make that kind of a point? I mean had Mith lied someone would have caught her from it. I mean there must be a host of people who have played with CoD many times. I've played with him a few games and can only agree with Mith about his resourcefulness. And why would Mith lie about CoD's abilities or history, how could lying in that kind of matters help her in the first place?

So who could make such a point then (Gwath's point that is)?

Someone with really original, basically idiosyncratic thinking-processes?
Someone who writes without thinking?
A nervous wolf under pressure trying to mirror anything so that people would talk of something else than him?

I think Gwath is none of the two first ones.

I'm not sure I have all the possibilities there to be sure but at least now those are the ones that come to mind.


ADD: Point taken Boro. I stressed the ifand you stressed the consider... and they are not at the same level. So you're right (darn broken English...)

[Shastanis Althreduin]

How long until deadline...?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shasta

Which leads me to believe that it was Boro's latent phantomic tendencies ("hijacking" a discussion? Really?) that caused me to vote him.

Really?

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Really?

Meaning...?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

Meaning...?

Meaning, "Really?"

Meaning, I'm questioning the sincerity and motive of your public display of affection.

I'm so sorry, Boromir, I'll never question you again, please forgive me for suspecting you even though enough others did that you were a front-runner for a lynching.

Either you're the seer and you dreamt of him (which I find rather unlikely) or you've got something up your sleeve. "My vote was unfounded..."

It was a first day vote. The only foundation you need for such things is "You seemed more suspicious than the rest." Even if by a negligible amount.

So why apologize so openly and so ostentatiously unless you want everybody to think that you must obviously be the seer who dreamt of Boromir and that you want to lay out a clear absolution of him?

Seers aren't that careless.

So yeah.

"Really?"

[Shastanis Althreduin]

Originally Posted by Feanor of the Peredhil

Meaning, "Really?"

Meaning, I'm questioning the sincerity and motive of your public display of affection.

I'm so sorry, Boromir, I'll never question you again, please forgive me for suspecting you even though enough others did that you were a front-runner for a lynching.

Either you're the seer and you dreamt of him (which I find rather unlikely) or you've got something up your sleeve. "My vote was unfounded..."

It was a first day vote. The only foundation you need for such things is "You seemed more suspicious than the rest." Even if by a negligible amount.

So why apologize so openly and so ostentatiously unless you want everybody to think that you must obviously be the seer who dreamt of Boromir and that you want to lay out a clear absolution of him?

Seers aren't that careless.

So yeah.

"Really?"

How about "At least two people called my vote pure spite, and I don't enjoy people thinking I would be the type of person who does that"?

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

How about "At least two people called my vote pure spite, and I don't enjoy people thinking I would be the type of person who does that"?

Okay. Wolf it is.

[Mithalwen]

Originally Posted by Shastanis Althreduin

How about "At least two people called my vote pure spite, and I don't enjoy people thinking I would be the type of person who does that"?

You are getting a bit obsessive about this- if I am included in this I would remind you that I said your attack on Boromir looked as if it could be spite but because I didn't think you were that type of person, it might well be using history as a cover.

[Lalwendë]

Wolf Feint Theory
If CoD was nominated by one of his fellow wolves as a feint, then it didn't work. And if that was the case, then whichever one of them did it should be clear, because they obviously weren't around at the deadline to save him. That should be easy to work out. There's Mccaber, Isabellkya, Mith and Mac. Any of those not around at deadline should be suspects, going by that hypothesis.

Boro cannot be a wolf or he'd have jumped onto one of those bandwagons to save CoD and not randomly voted for moi. He gave no reason to be umming and ahhing and waiting til the end for nefarious reasons, he clearly had no clue.

If Brinn is the wolf then I'm certainly for it tonight. Though of course, if she is not, then I might be anyway, as this will for sure cast her in a bad light if I get wolf-mauled so making me ideal wolf food. Either way, I might be curtains.

Sally gets onto an anti-Boro bandwagon at a late stage which smells of wolf but is just too obvious a nudge at bumping his numbers up.

Why is Nogrod so keen on Gwathagor's guilt?

And don't think I've forgotten you, oh quiet ones.....

Anyway, that's it for now - wanted to post more but I was watching a load of films and now it's time for me bed. I shall pontificate on some more of all your behaviour in the English morning....

[Rikae]

I'm finding Lal's post a bit bewildering - perhaps I'm not the only one...

Originally Posted by Lalwendë

Wolf Feint Theory
If CoD was nominated by one of his fellow wolves as a feint, then it didn't work. And if that was the case, then whichever one of them did it should be clear, because they obviously weren't around at the deadline to save him. That should be easy to work out. There's Mccaber, Isabellkya, Mith and Mac. Any of those not around at deadline should be suspects, going by that hypothesis.

How could a wolf who had already voted for CoD save him at the deadline?

Boro cannot be a wolf or he'd have jumped onto one of those bandwagons to save CoD and not randomly voted for moi. He gave no reason to be umming and ahhing and waiting til the end for nefarious reasons, he clearly had no clue.

I suppose he wouldn't have been likely to do that, true. He could be a cobbler, though.

If Brinn is the wolf then I'm certainly for it tonight. Though of course, if she is not, then I might be anyway, as this will for sure cast her in a bad light if I get wolf-mauled so making me ideal wolf food. Either way, I might be curtains.

This I don't get at all. Why....?

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

And to add one small thing more; if you're an innocent why do you speculate about yourself being dreamt of in that fashion? If you're an innocent a seer dream means you're a known innocent by now. It's not something you should be afraid of or in need to convince others that has not happened - or that you would not expect that it has happened...

I'm not afraid of being dreamt of. If the seer wants to dream of me, then go ahead. Of course it's better if the seer finds wolves rather than ordos, but if they did dream of me at least they won't be left uncertain about what my role might be. I stated that I did not think I was dreamt of on Night 1 because that's what I honestly believe. I received a bit of attention yesterDay so maybe the seer has dreamt of me by now...but there's no way for me to know for sure.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

The classic, straight from the Werewolf handbook! Was it Hint #13 for tightening situations?

To open the Day by asking why Kath was killed and to leave an impression you had no idea is actually a sound wolf tactics as Boro already mentioned. Saying that you forgot about the ranger kind of underlines the very same thing: look at me, I have no idea why she was killed. But why would an innocent stress that so much? A wolf might feel the need to do that though...

Okay, so I forget about the ranger and suddenly I'm a wolf? I was wondering about Kath aloud; it was one of the first thoughts that came up when I posted. Perhaps if I spent longer analysing I would've come to my own conclusions, but I spend long enough writing my posts as it is and usually at the beginning of the Day I just like to state whatever first comes to mind. And as for the ranger, it's a role I keep forgetting we have...there wasn't originally even going to be a ranger, but Durelin added it in last minute. Anyways, my brain must be skipping over all the general info of this game because I also didn't realise we had a cobbler until it was mentioned.

[Lalwendë]

Originally Posted by Rikae

This I don't get at all. Why....?

There's nothing odd in pointing out I'm curtains tonight. Kath was the wolves' victim last night, she also voted for Brinn. Sadly it's such an easy kill for them to make to eat me. It will make everyone think "Oh, Brinn must be the wolf! She's killed Kath and Lal." Even if she isn't. Perhaps because she isn't. It's a gift-horse of a smoke-screen.

Bum! I'm going to have to be really, really careful who I vote for now.

[McCaber]

Not a lot has happened here today, but I suppose I take part of that blame. Well, on to business.

Gwath sounds innocent to me. I mean, he certainly talks enough (jk, folks).

On my "possibly, nay, probably a werewolf" list goes Nogrod, for an attempt to bandwagon away from a wolf, along with Sally.

Boro, well, I'm not sure what to think about him yet, except that I should think about him.

I'm really tired, so I'll be back tomorrow.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Gwath

Overall: Nogrod banters a bit, makes some good points, posits interesting theories, and seems hell-bent on finding me guilty one way or another.

Now who's the one overexaggerating...

BUt now I think I finally understand where this misunderstanding stems from:

Originally Posted by Gwath

I think he is way too interested in establishing my guilt, to the point that my guilt has become the basis of his arguments against me, and, essentially, the premises are being tailored to fit the conclusion.

Yes, I'm interested in "establishing" - well to be more precise: studying the possibility of - anyone's guilt as we need to find the wolves. One of the tested ways to do it is to look at someone's posting you feel act wolvishly and to see how it would fit were s/he a wolf. So yes, I'm looking at Gwath from the point of view of him being a wolf and seeing whether the pieces would fit (and the same goes with Brinn). I wouldn't say I'm tailoring the premises to fit but I'm trying to look at whether they do.

Before we have any hard evidence that's sadly one of the only ways to go forwards.

And there's the important added plus in that method for it always makes those who have been speculated about to react and those reactions may be very telling indeed.

So Gwath - and Brinn - I'm not particularly keen to get you two lynched as such. I'm keen on getting a wolf and you are the two I have studied a little bit because of some initial reactions of mine. YesterDay evening I was keen on getting Gwath lynched because I felt him the most suspicious, right. But if I come up with better candidates I'll be more than happy to change my focus.


OOC: I slept later than I had planned and am running to the choir-seminary now. I'll be able to post yet toDay, even if less than I hoped for.

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

So Gwath - and Brinn - I'm not particularly keen to get you two lynched as such. I'm keen on getting a wolf and you are the two I have studied a little bit because of some initial reactions of mine. YesterDay evening I was keen on getting Gwath lynched because I felt him the most suspicious, right. But if I come up with better candidates I'll be more than happy to change my focus.

At first glance, this looks like hasty backtracking on Nogrod's part, especially given the intensity of the suspicion in his previous posts.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++Boromir

(who could have seen that coming?)

[Rikae]

For the record, Mac and Brinn, I said I thought Lal looked innocent.
More so than either of you, in fact...

[Nogrod]

Back at last... I just need to read things...

Originally Posted by Gwathagor

At first glance, this looks like hasty backtracking on Nogrod's part, especially given the intensity of the suspicion in his previous posts.

You should see me when I'm intensive with my suspicions...

[Isabellkya]

Mith -> Gwath
Boro -> Lalwende
Fea -> Boro


o.O

I'm a Cobbler, because I said you could be?

[Gwathagor]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

However - I find Gwathagor's response, to my response on his "correct me if I am wrong" re Captain of Despair baffling. How that pointing out that COD isn't an unsphisticated thinker makes me a wolf is beyond me.

Well crap. I wasn't actually accusing you; I was just saying that while I was inclined to agree with you, you could theoretically be a wolf, and so I should take your point (however reasonable) with a grain of salt. That's all I was saying. I wasn't pretending to provide any kind of evidence.