Tol-in-Gaurhoth L: Battle of the Fandoms

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I have in mind an innocent Nerwen scenario as well but I think she should produce it herself...

Nogrod, I have already answered all the points you made in your last post.

And once again, I did not "whitewash" Sally. I mentioned her behaviour as suspicious, but also thought it fair to include the extenuating circumstances.

Rikae– known innocent– had exactly the same qualms. Here she is at #158:

Well, Sally's doubts, to me, look just like what I would have been thinking, had I been around at the time - the truth is, there really wasn't a whole lot of solid reasoning behind the lynching, wolf or no wolf - it looked just like the typical "lynch the oddball on day 1" fiasco.

I did not vote Boro to save Sally. I voted him because I thought him suspicious. Really. It's as simple as that.

If I've seemed rather detached from the game, it's because I've had a huge amount of work on this week– I wouldn't have joined in if I'd realized how much.

Now, sure, by taking things I've said out of context, you can make a lovely case against me. It happens to be wrong. Get over it, please.

[Mithalwen]

I am here and also befuddled. I am going to try and read through and see which combo looks most probable. Laters.

[Isabellkya]

Ugh.
So hard to scroll through the pages.

Mith 399 onwards..

More banter and ic moments.

#441
She says that Nerwen, Ixxy, and Shasta are creeping her out. Nerwen the most. Lal is the best Cobbler bet, but doesn't understand Fea.

#495
Lal is the most Cobblerish, hard to think anyone else is.
Boro and Fea could be bored, and amusing themselves.

#506
Nerwen - Creepiest
Feanor of the Peredhil - Tweedledum
Boromir88 - Tweedledee
]Nilpaurion Felagund - Seer soi-disant. No reason to doubt.
Nogrod - Seer named ordo
McCaber - Creepy but ...
Shastanis Althreduin - Seer named Ordo
Mithalwen - Self named Ordo
Isabellkya - can't writer her off quite despite that vote.
Lalwendë - Cobbler - de facto or actual
Macalaure - Perhaps ought to check my assumption of innocence to prevent self looking silly.....

#518
Votes McCaber; saying "Only of my creepies likely to go and prefer to get a woluf than cobbler if possible."


Which I find odd. Unless I am mistaken, Boro had been the only other person in the realm of voting for Caber. Where as, I believe there were more possible Nerwen voters.

#528
"I have to go but will be back earlier tomorrow but I voted Mc Caber because he was the only of my main WOLF suspects who I stood a chance of being lynched. I was certain that Lal was teh cobbler and prepared to ignore her."


In one of your posts #443; you say I was swift on Day two to "point out" that I'd voted for CoD. Yet here you are in #528, three posts after Durelin's; explaining why you voted for Caber. You'd already done so when you made the vote. So why again? If I was swift, then you were... break neck speed?
I find it a bit fishy that you went for Caber instead of Nerwen, even though she was a higher suspect to you.


Fea
Day one is a lot of banter and IC posts..
Watching Boro very closely.

#871, you vote Boro, then say he can figure it out, and that there is a great chance you are right.

- You are right that he is a wolf, or you are right he will figure it out?


Day two
More banter.
Calls Shasta a wolf, because of apology towards Boro, and response.
Tied between Boro and Shasta.
Votes Boro.

Day three
Could see a Mithwolf.
negligible threat: Nilp, Nog, Mac, Shasta
Worrisome: Rikae, Nerwen, Boro, Mith, Lal
Barely know is playing:Sally, Caber, Izzy, Fea
Votes Mith.

Day four
Asks Boro if he wants her to vote for Lal.
Desperately wants to know Boro's role.

Day five
Doesn't understand Ranger not protecting Nilp.
Obsessed with Boro
Thought Nilp was stock piling innocents, rather than hunting wolves.

I definitely agree that your obsession with Boro in this game is unhealthy, and not really helping anyone.


I'm torn between Mith and Fea.
But something tells me from what I've re-read/skimmed of Nerwen
My vote might go there.



X'ed since mith's 569

[Mithalwen]

who were the other Nerwen voters? Mc Caber and Nerwen were on one each when I voted and I suppose that I had decided to trust Boro for the time being. And Nerwen ... I jus thought I was more likely to eb wrong about her - she mixes up her playing...

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Now, sure, by taking things I've said out of context, you can make a lovely case against me. It happens to be wrong. Get over it, please.

I'd love to be able to do that as I really think you would be a great ally in this game were you an innocent. If the ranger had saved Nilp we might know it now and wouldn't waste our time on this (are you an innocent) or had won already (are you a wolf).

But then again, do you have any other ideas? Who's the wolf if you're not? That would help us indeed... and are you innocent I'd figure you would try to help in the search.

Well, the same goes to McCaber as well. I haven't seen too many openings from him either this Day.

I understand - and have experience of it for a bit too many times - that when one is innocent and generally suspected (or strongly by a few) one would like to just counter-argue the points raised and try to survive (getting lynched is an inncoent lynch and you know it yourself)... but wouldn't it be better to also try and help? At least I get the urge of trying to turn every stone in the end if I see I'm going to the gallows as an innocent to make my last contribution. A wolf wouldn't care too much about that - unless s/he thought by that effort to avoid the lynch.

Why did I say that? It's too late to set any traps tp/Eomer -way so I'd just wish to see your contributions to who do you two think is the last wolf and why.


At the moment I feel I'm going to vote either McCaber or Nerwen, depending on a host of possibilities yet to be seen during the last hour. If there is a breakthrough in any other direction I'm most willing to change my mind though.

[Feanor of the Peredhil]

++nerwen

[Boromir88]

I understand - and have experience of it for a bit too many times - that when one is innocent and generally suspected (or strongly by a few) one would like to just counter-argue the points raised and try to survive (getting lynched is an inncoent lynch and you know it yourself)... but wouldn't it be better to also try and help?~Nogrod

When innocent, I don't get the "I still want to help" urge if people are after me. I get the "Idiots, you're absolutely wrong, I hope when I'm proven innocent this comes back to kick you in the rear, for the fact that you are wrong" feeling. Which is why I will leave the McCaber thing to rest, for now, I've said all I've needed to say and I won't repeat myself. But I am willing to bet it all that he's a wolf, and if I'm wrong, maybe I deserve to be lynched.

[Macalaure]

Nerwen - still probably my best bet. The decision would be easier if only she felt suspicious. But she doesn't.
Fea - a lot of strangeness in her, but her bluff still makes her seem innocent to me.
Boro - probably innocent.
McCaber - is really trying hard to make himself look bad today.
Mith - has not done anything to make me suspicious in this game.
Izzy - could be the wolf, but isn't a top-shelf suspect for me right now.

I'm definitely not going to vote for Fea, Boro, or Mith. But which one of the other three?

[Isabellkya]

++ Nerwen


I may not have been able to look at all posts in-depth(ly); but the gut feeling.


I am in need of heading out the door now.



X'since 576.

[Macalaure]

I would probably vote for Nerwen now, but it almost seems unfair seeing that she would finally be able to give more input from tomorrow on.

What I don't like about voting McCaber is that, if he's innocent, I won't be able to tell Boro that I told him so.

Voting Izzy seems pointless right now, and I'm not convinced enough of her guilt to start a last minute campaign.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Macalaure

Nerwen ...
The decision would be easier if only she felt suspicious. But she doesn't.

Exactly my words! And her latest post was a good one indeed (hah, someone's points are good if they agree with my own... ).

Also what you Mac say of McCaber I have to agree: even if Boro's case against him looks a bit far-fetched (even if possible and ingeniously made by Boro) his posting toDay has been terrible with all those slips made under pressure...

[Nogrod]

Any idea on the tally? Two votes for Nerwen, right but are there others?

I'd be inclined to try out McCaber more than Nerwen right now. As Izzy said - although making the opposite decision - ... the gut feeling...

[Nerwen]

*sigh*


Well, it looks like you're all going to lynch me. I'm not going to bother defending myself any further– then you'll just jump on me for being "defensive".

Besides, I honestly don't see what I have to defend myself against. Yeah, I suspected some people who turned out to be innocent. So have all of you.

At least I didn't get any innocents lynched.

While I'm still here... someone look at Izzy toMorrow. I keep forgetting about her.

EDIT: X'd since Izzy at #579.

[Nogrod]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

When innocent, I don't get the "I still want to help" urge if people are after me. I get the "Idiots, you're absolutely wrong, I hope when I'm proven innocent this comes back to kick you in the rear, for the fact that you are wrong" feeling.

Everyone by way of his character...


Btw. reasons I think Fëa should be looked a bit more closely include - on top of those I made in my two posts on Fëa and Nerwen earlier toDay - are these:
- She seems to be pretty ready to defend herself even if a light suspicion is thrown at her this late in the game when the stakes are getting higher.
- She has carefully limited her suspicions to a few only (mainly Boro - which has been done in a banterish way so as to not look serious threat to Boro), Mith (with all the apologies and stuff) and Shasta).
- Today she has mainly discussed the matter of why Nilp chose the dreams he did which I think is a complete waste of time and effort - but it doesn't normally raise suspicions as no one gets suspected by that and no retaliations will follow which is very important at this phase to the last wolf.

So please consider her as well toMorrow if we don't get the wolf toDay.


EDIT: X'd from Nerwen onwards...

[Boromir88]

So please consider her as well toMorrow if we don't get the wolf toDay.~Nogrod

Will do, even though Fea (along with Mith) haven't looked suspicious to me at all, the bottom line is they aren't known innocents and it's dangerous to let them run free. I'm a little more confident in Mith's innocence, because she's the calming breath of fresh air Mith, and I'm 99% certain if Mith was a wolf she would have lynched me on Day 1 no questions asked.

Fea, while has been crazy, as she said she's demented and we all know that. But it's an enjoyable kind of dementia, hasn't seemed evil. But, there can't be any harm in considering something evil behind it all.

Edit: crossed with everyone since Mith's post.

[Boromir88]

Making this a run away won't be beneficial, let's turn up the pressure...

++McCaber

[Mithalwen]

Yes were I a wolf these are exactly the people I would want to keep at endgame - NOT. 3 people I have wolfed with and Nogrod who generally spots me as a wolf and Fea ..... Fea is worrying me a lot now. Again it is hard when you know how brilliant people can be as wolves to trust them. With McCaber and Issy there is this WOW issue Ican't decide on ., gah must choose.

[Nogrod]

And do not forget Fëa either...

If there are no complex or bold WoW strategies around it's Fëa and Nerwen who look the most suspicious.

I mean a lot seems to come down to the question whether the wolves were boldly voting each other to look good later even if they had to fight against the numbers (McCaber, Mith, Izzy... maybe even Mac or Boro) or they played more as a team trying not to decrease their numbers if they could avoid it (Nerwen, Fëa).

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Nogrod

I'd love to be able to do that as I really think you would be a great ally in this game were you an innocent. If the ranger had saved Nilp we might know it now and wouldn't waste our time on this (are you an innocent) or had won already (are you a wolf).

But then again, do you have any other ideas? Who's the wolf if you're not? That would help us indeed... and are you innocent I'd figure you would try to help in the search.

I know, but I'm working right now on an animation that's due tomorrow. I told you, I wouldn't have taken on this game if I'd realized I'd have so much work on.

I promise I'll be more helpful toMorrow.

Currently I don't have much of a clue... The person I'm thinking of voting is Fea, on account of her general weirdness, including the recent rambling about Seer strategy, which looks rather like a deliberate attempt to waste time... but I don't have time to make a case against her.

EDIT: X'd with Fea, Boro and Nogrod.