Tol-in-Gaurhoth LI: The Pain of Wargs

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

All right, I am around at last, and I will probably have chance to be around for the rest of the Day. I have read through yesterDay, but maybe I should re-read again in the light of Nogrod's death. To be honest, at one moment I thought he could be a Wolf - but not to a very strong point. Anyway...

I am now starting to wonder about Gollum, because if he is one of the baddies, I can well imagine him killing Nogrod. Depending who would be the other person, of course, but still...

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Wow! This comes as a complete surprise! This completely alters my view on Nogrod.

I could possibly imagine a Gollum-Wolf posting this, too, like "giving his hands away from the thing". Anyway, I think I could put Gollum on my suspicion list, and I'm going to observe him - I'll take a look at his older posts, too; there is not much of them (or they are not long), to get some better idea about him.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

I don't think Nogrod's suspicions look seerish. He's too uncertain about them and/or has too many reservations.

Now when it comes to the reasons for his kill, yes, I think so. Also, when mentioning Rune, I don't think he would be the one to kill Nog like that in this situation.

Nogrod tried to interpret the rules a few times. Maybe the wolves know more than we do and killed him because he was getting too close to the truth about the rules? (Like, maybe I and Legate really are lovers and were scared he would convince others that his so very serious theory is correct? ) He didn't have any very clear theories though, except the possibility of lovers, which I myself consider unlikely. I think we would know if this was a lover game and I think no mod would start the game with just two baddies who both die and lose the game if one of them dies. Looks a little too unfair.

Well honestly, I hope nobody takes that seriously here - although he brought this theory up so many times... hmm... possibly this may have been understood as a Seerish hint? However in that case, the likely reason of his kill would have been to frame you and me Which - now smileys aside - is not as funny idea.

Originally Posted by Diamond18

Nogrod, dead, eh? Well that can only mean one thing; the culprit(s) are quiet people! Who fear Nogrod's searching eye and also find it annoying to have to read all his posts in the short time they have online before they have to make a post/vote. So, you know, I don't know who around here could possibly fit that bill...

In all seriousness though, I do kind of find Nogrod to be an odd choice for a kill. He garners a lot of attention and would be someone you could try to rustle up a lynch mob for. The only reason I can think of to kill him at night is suspicion of seerdom.

For the reasons... I am not really sure, but the most logical view of mine would be that the killers are indeed some quiet-ish people who decided to get rid of him. If it were Gollum, as I said above, I could imagine that - depending just whether he'd convince the other person to pick Nogrod as well. I am not sure about the idea of seerishness, but it is possible (cf. above), as well as the idea of creating confusion. It may as well be that it is several or all of these reasons for a kill at once.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

A comment about Legate's vote:

I think you took this comment the wrong way...I know your comment wasn't serious and my response wasn't supposed to be serious either, hence the smiley face. But I don't exactly understand why you voted me...because I said go ahead and lynch me? I don't get why you would think being unconflicting is suspicious...I feel like that's something I've alway done regardless of role. This may be WW, but I try not to butt heads too much. I just think your vote for me seems faulty.

Nope, I voted you because of the other reasons I stated earlier in my posts, and many times, about your "un-conflicty behaviour" and such. I did not give much weight to that "lynch me" comment, I merely quoted it, and it did not have that much to do with the choice to vote you itself.

Originally Posted by Runne son of Bjarrne

Let me join the choir. . . Nogrod does seem like an odd choise as he almost always end up getting lynched if just let alone, of course he could (like Lommy says) have gotten close to some truth. However I see little reason to belive that is the case, do you not think that it is simply because they want to confuse us? That or they might share Nogrod views about a quiet village being easy to hide in, of course there is also the possibility that it is the result of some twisted version of the Oedipus Complex and that would leave Lommy as the killer.

In short: I belive they are trying to confuse us.

Well, yes, all in all, I would probably be most inclined to agree with the idea of confusing being the aim of the baddies after all. That's not to say, as have written above, that it can't be connected with several other reasons for picking Nog.

Originally Posted by Diamond

Or better yet, Lommy and Legate conspired to kill him in a twisted lover's pact to get rid of the [furry] lady's father should he raise any objections....

*Rolleyes...*

But, then, anyway - would you please care to explain your vote, Diamond? Except for "lynch them", I saw no particular reason for the vote, and sure what you said was not meant as serious reason for vote? Or was it?

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Gollum Gollum...

Here be something from his postsssiess. Despite the fact of being a newbie, I cannot simply let go that he has quite bad habit of not saying almost anything at all. His last post yesterDay:

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Crud, gotta go! No explanation for my vote!

++Nogrod

Okay, no time, no explanation, fine. But toDay his first post:

Originally Posted by Gollum the Great

Wow! This comes as a complete surprise! This completely alters my view on Nogrod.

Great, it makes perfect sense that Gollum does not suspect Nogrod anymore (of course ) but, wouldn't he care to say what was his reason to vote Nogrod, since he didn't give it yesterDay? At least now then.

Besides that, he mentions technically just three people he suspected: me, Lommy, Nogrod. And Groin, although that is just a mention. Well, in general, his posts are not saying much.

Gollum, I know this is your first game, so okay if you are getting yourself into it, but if you perhaps could elaborate at least a little what do you think about others, too, respectively, what do you think even about those you named, because even that is very little beyond "I suspect him".

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Brinn

If you could label players as suspicious by vote alone, that'd have to be Lommy (who brought Groin to the lead) and Gaunt (who came from nowhere and confirmed Groin's death).

Actually, in general, I think making the decisive votes is more innocentish than wolvish in most cases. Wolves don't want the responsibility and spotlight that come with the decisive vote. The case is totally different, though, if a fellow of theirs is under a threat.

In the light of my current knowledge, I don't think there are any particularily suspcious votes yesterDay. Ironically, the one that looks the most suspicious to me is Groin's.

Originally Posted by Legate

However in that case, the likely reason of his kill would have been to frame you and me Which - now smileys aside - is not as funny idea.

Yes, but I don't consider it likely. He suspicions were half-joking, I can't see anyone calculating on people to believe we two would be that jumpy. Besides whom Nogrod really suspected was Kath. But I don't think the kill points at her, nor do I think it was done in order to frame her: Nogrod suspected her so clearly because of what she said. (Even though, now I'm wondering... could they have read it so that he had dreamt of Kath and was just waiting for an opportunity to accuse her? I think I'll have a look at that later...)

I'm pretty lost with the wolves' identities right now. Brinn keeps looking a little fishy, but not much more than that.


edit: xed with Mithx2 and Rune

[Mithalwen]

In case I can't make it back

++ Legate of Amon Lanc.