Tol-in-Gaurhoth LI: The Pain of Wargs

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Originally Posted by Mithalwen

I don't see what is so confusing Rune. I have job with near standard office hours. At the time you voted for me I had been either asleep or at work since the start of play other than for a short time at lunch. Where was the scope for making more than a check in post. Really you are most unreasonable.
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So what if you have work thos hours? I had to vote at that time and then I cannot start taking into account when everybody is working, that would leave me with only students to vote for. . . how is that fair?
My vote was based on what I had seen until then and is that not what we are supposed to do?

[Mithalwen]

You generalised from one post and say it is not personal? I am not saying don't vote for me but don't make out that my behaviour is odd whane it is the only way I could behave. It really seem vindictive. Why not vote for me again now and have done with it?

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

There is 2 things in this:

1. Of course one could have acted differently, maybe not made more posts, but the content of them could have been different. There is not only 1 way to do things, not that you should change it because of me. . . just accept that it left me a feeling of you trying to keep out of the light.

2. I my self tell about my RL commitments because I think it is only fair to the other players in the game, but I cannot expect them to give me special treatment even if I have a good reason. As players we have too look at what happens in the game and let that be the main factor for our decitions.

EDIT: Cross Posted With Mith

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

Talking about RL commitment. . .

I have to leave for my baby-brothers birthday party now, but I will be back before deadline and I really hope that more will have shown up at that time and hopefully it is also the time where people will do their voting.

I am pretty open about who to vote for today as long as a good case is presented, there have already been voiced suspicions against Brinn and Gollum and I can follow both. I did not suspect Gollum earlier, but that is probably because I simply did not notice him at all.

I could imagine Legate and Lommy being candidates and even though I will not write them off my list completely (of lynch candidates) I am not too thrilled about voting for either today.

People I am quite confident I will not vote for today:

Mith - I have voted for her two times now and even though I stand by my decision I think it would be unwise to vote for her at this point. . . For one she is gennerally regarded as innocent so it would be a waste of a vote, secondly it would not leave much of a pattern for people to analyse should I get killed. oh and also: It is very easy to become to focused on one individual and thus become blind to what others do, so yeah I do not think it would be wise to vote for her again today.

Kath - I really like Kath as a player. . .of course there are limmits to how long I can use this as an excuse for not suspecting her.
Maybe I should add Gaunt to that list.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Legate

Well honestly, I hope nobody takes that seriously here - although he brought this theory up so many times... hmm... possibly this may have been understood as a Seerish hint? However in that case, the likely reason of his kill would have been to frame you and me Which - now smileys aside - is not as funny idea.

The interaction between Lommy and Nogrod at the end of the Day was rather amusing, though I didn't think much of his theory while reading it. But in light his death, I took a look at the interaction between Lommy and Legate myself and I can't help but wonder if there's some truth to this theory...or something similar. I suppose it's possible the wolves chose Nogrod to frame the two, but I somehow doubt it...or at least framing the two L's wouldn't be the only reason. A double bluff is possible too...I know Lommy and Legate are capable of it.

Originally Posted by Rune

If you do not see why unconflicting is suspicious then I can understand why you do not understand me, I think it is relative well known tactic for the evil doers to be seen and yet stay clear of too many enemies. An ordo on the other hand is a bit more free and not carring, of course non of us wants to get lynched, but I think you are even more afraid of it if you are evil.

Being unconflicting can be a wolf tactic, I agree, but it doesn't necessarily mean that someone who is unconflicting is a wolf. Like I said, I think it's a style I tend to use regardless of my role...at least at the beginning of the game. I'm a careful poster...that's part of my personality. But it doesn't mean I'm a wolf. So I don't think being unconflicting is a good enough reason alone.

[Gwathagor]

I am sorry that I don't have more time to consider, but I have to catch a train into Chicago, and I won't be back until this evening (RL).

Well: toDay, I am going to go with Rune, because, as much as I think that Legate's suspicion of Brinniel is unfounded, I find Rune's echoing of Legate more suspicious.

++Rune

[Brinniel]

Rune: Wants me lynched, which is quite typical of him. In fact, if he didn't suspect me, I think I'd be disappointed. I'm surprised he hasn't voted me yet, though surely I can expect it toDay. In turn, I'm always tempted to vote him. I think it's his playing style that sets me off...but then whenever I suspect him he turns out innocent. I don't like to repeat mistakes, so I won't be too quick to suspect...though I do want to watch him carefully.

Gaunt: YesterDay he did talk about Nogrod and Groin, though while he seemed to suspect Noggie more, he voted Groin. I'm not sure what to think of that. He hasn't shown up yet toDay, and I would like to hear more from him.

Lommy: While her intentions don't feel like good ones, they don't seem furry. I'm still convinced there's something cobblerish about her...so maybe she is a cobbler character, or perhaps Nogrod's theory is accurate after all...

Legate: I still don't like his reasons behind suspecting me...and now I don't like his reasons for suspecting Gollum. Yes, Gollum hasn't been saying much and as much as I would like him to, I think it's more newbie behaviour than anything. Gollum seems like the type of newbie who is perhaps a bit too timid to dive in and become involved on the same scale that the rest of us are. While his comment, "Wow! This comes as a complete surprise! This completely alters my view on Nogrod" may look wolfish to us, I think he wrote down his first thought unaware about what kind of phrases might sound fishy. Typical newbie mistake. Legate, you seem to be building up a case against Gollum and it just feels fabricated to me.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Being unconflicting can be a wolf tactic, I agree, but it doesn't necessarily mean that someone who is unconflicting is a wolf. Like I said, I think it's a style I tend to use regardless of my role...at least at the beginning of the game. I'm a careful poster...that's part of my personality. But it doesn't mean I'm a wolf. So I don't think being unconflicting is a good enough reason alone.

Of course being unconflicting by itself does not mean someone is guilty. But then, I would say that being unconflicting all the time implies something unnatural going on - like a programmed behavior, which is something a Wolf may use to his advantage. Anyway, I also don't think your behavior in general is unconflicting, not the same way as it was this game.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Yes, Gollum hasn't been saying much and as much as I would like him to, I think it's more newbie behaviour than anything. Gollum seems like the type of newbie who is perhaps a bit too timid to dive in and become involved on the same scale that the rest of us are. While his comment, "Wow! This comes as a complete surprise! This completely alters my view on Nogrod" may look wolfish to us, I think he wrote down his first thought unaware about what kind of phrases might sound fishy. Typical newbie mistake. Legate, you seem to be building up a case against Gollum and it just feels fabricated to me.

Okay, now you are once again either misunderstanding or misinterpretating what I meant. See, my main point was not that because he said it, he is a wolf, and you won't find it there in my posts. At first when I saw this quote, I was answering myself the question whether he could post that if he were a Wolf. That's what I said in my first post today here. Then, when I was going through his posts, I was again, not basing anything on what he said there per se, but I was pointing out that he did not say his reasons for voting Nog. Why? Yesterday, he said "no time to explain" and just voted. Today he shows up, and all he says is "wow, this is a surprise". That was the point.

Okay, now. I shall be around, and hopefully also somebody else will show up; although I presume that as usual, people will start crowding around before the DL. Where are these Kaths and Gaunts and such? I would like to see them post toDay, too. For now, I am left to ponder my inclinations to vote - Brinn now looks fisher to me still.

[Brinniel]

Originally Posted by Legate

Then, when I was going through his posts, I was again, not basing anything on what he said there per se, but I was pointing out that he did not say his reasons for voting Nog. Why? Yesterday, he said "no time to explain" and just voted. Today he shows up, and all he says is "wow, this is a surprise". That was the point.

While it's frustrating when someone doesn't explain their reason for voting someone, but I don't think it has much meaning behind it. In previous games, players have been lynched because they didn't explain their vote and they have all turned out innocent. If anything, I would think a person who doesn't explain their vote is more likely innocent because why would a wolf want to draw attention to themself simply by not giving an explanation?

Btw, where is everyone? Posting has gone particularly slow toDay. Anyways, I'm gonna have to vote fairly soon...