Gothmog vs. Sauron - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Andsigil · 10-11-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

We constantly hear of Sauron being second in command to Morgoth, yet it is Gothmog who leads the armies. It takes a great elven warrior to kill Gothmog, whereas Sauron could have been killed by a dog (however great he was).

I wouldn't always associate prowess with rank.

Second in Commands, to put it in anachronistic terms, often function as Executive Officers or Staff Chiefs, while the actual units are commanded by people subordinate to both the commander and his second. It has been this way for a long time, across many cultures.

Eönwë · 10-13-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

I wouldn't always associate prowess with rank.

Second in Commands, to put it in anachronistic terms, often function as Executive Officers or Staff Chiefs, while the actual units are commanded by people subordinate to both the commander and his second. It has been this way for a long time, across many cultures.

Well, yes that is true. Morgoth is the "commander" and Sauron his "Executive Officers" as you put it. But they would have needed to have good fighters. Sauron is more the strategic, non-fighter type (I don't think he actually fought in any of Morgoth's wars) whereas Gothmog is a superwarrior.

And think about this: The Valar are the highest ranking of all, yet Eönwë (

) is the "greatest of arms in Arda."

Andsigil · 10-13-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eönwë

And think about this: The Valar are the highest ranking of all, yet Eönwë (

) is the "greatest of arms in Arda."

And nobody could beat Tulkas.

Eönwë · 10-13-2008, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Andsigil

And nobody could beat Tulkas.

And neither is he the greatest of the Valar.

Andsigil · 10-13-2008, 05:12 PM

That's kind of my point.

10-13-2008, 05:12 PM	#5
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